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There is a screencap at the end. Also, exercise does not necessarily involve live fire. Otherwise most aerial combat exercises don't constitute the use of aircraft in exercise.
Fair enough. By use, I had expected that live fire activity where munition are actually used.
Likely conclusion is that India does not have much spare munition to spend for exercise.

Otherwise, i would just stick with perform exercise.
 

mossen

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Well, the option still exist for India, Su-57 matured into a good aircraft and India still has access to it if needed
Given that even Turkey is now going for their own 5th gen aircraft, it would be mindboggling if a country as big as India didn't. India's economy is now 5th largest and will be 3rd largest by the end of this decade. I don't think they have a choice but to develop their own stuff now. They are just too big not to.
 

Sinnavuuty

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Given that even Turkey is now going for their own 5th gen aircraft, it would be mindboggling if a country as big as India didn't. India's economy is now 5th largest and will be 3rd largest by the end of this decade. I don't think they have a choice but to develop their own stuff now. They are just too big not to.
I agree with this positioning. But what would be the likelihood of the US offering the F-35 and the AMCA ending?
 

Biscuits

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Given that even Turkey is now going for their own 5th gen aircraft, it would be mindboggling if a country as big as India didn't. India's economy is now 5th largest and will be 3rd largest by the end of this decade. I don't think they have a choice but to develop their own stuff now. They are just too big not to.
India is even as big as 3rd largest as of now. But the issue with them is not much productivity and tech industry.

If Turkey can do something, there should be no barriers aside from institutional ones to India doing the same. If India had an effective government, it could easily achieve the 5th or 4th most powerful military in the world within a few decades.
 

ansy1968

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India is even as big as 3rd largest as of now. But the issue with them is not much productivity and tech industry.

If Turkey can do something, there should be no barriers aside from institutional ones to India doing the same. If India had an effective government, it could easily achieve the 5th or 4th most powerful military in the world within a few decades.
What? I thought Tejas is a 5.5 generation aircraft? ;)
 

Aswin_hht

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Given that even Turkey is now going for their own 5th gen aircraft, it would be mindboggling if a country as big as India didn't. India's economy is now 5th largest and will be 3rd largest by the end of this decade. I don't think they have a choice but to develop their own stuff now. They are just too big not to.
Surely, it’s very unlikely that a foreign procurement process would hinder local developments anymore. There is a lot of anger regarding this matter in India and there is a lot of accusations being thrown about foreign lobbying messing with indigenous projects. As for SU 57, I think this aircraft still has a place in India since IAF presently operate a large number of large fighter aircrafts and a fifth generation heavy fighter could very well be a partial replacement for the Su 30s.
 

Aswin_hht

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I agree with this positioning. But what would be the likelihood of the US offering the F-35 and the AMCA ending?
US offering F-35 is certainly possible but India accepting it will be very unlikely because of multiple reasons. F-35 will come with many conditions, likely hindering any future purchases from Russia which could be like moving away from India’s present stance of maintaining balance between two sides. Secondly, it could also drag India into US-China conflict which India obviously does not want any part in. Simply put F-35 will be more of a liability for India than anything.

As for AMCA, these local projects also has many political implications and as you can guess, roll out of AMCA, it’s first flight and all are massive political boost for the ruling party in India, one who has been actively advocating for self-reliance and locally produced defence equipments. AMCA will not be scrapped regardless of any foreign procurements. An example is the Tejas MK 2 project, a lot of people were calling for scrapping the project for the sake of AMCA but it was green lit anyway because cancelling it would be a PR nightmare for the present government.
 
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