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If china had lost aksai chin then india can easily enter into tibet & Xinjiang
Under what circumstances do you see China losing control of Aksai Chin? Also India moving into Tibet and Xinjiang? Move what exactly, its conventional military? Knowing the logistical nightmare moving through those mountains would be, it'd be a rather suicidal move if they did and I'm not even talking about the part where such a conflict would go nuclear. Spies or saboteurs to foster separatism? I do not find that plausible, since spies in the modern world hardly decide missions based on geographical barriers.
it goes through Karakoram highway which is an strategic location that connects pakistan
The Karakoram highway doesn't seem to be anywhere near where the current clashes are taking place.

Granted, I understand having the "chicken's neck" in striking distance is good leverage for China.
 

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GT article on the recent China-India Tawang flare up.
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Chinese border troops were on a routine patrol on the Chinese side of the Line of Actual Control (LAC) on an eastern section of the China-India border on Friday when Indian troops illegally crossed the line and blocked the Chinese forces, the spokesperson of the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) Western Theater Command announced on Tuesday.

Faced with the trespass, the PLA dealt with the situation with professional, standard and powerful measures and stabilized the situation, said Senior Colonel Long Shaohua, spokesperson of the PLA Western Theater Command, in a statement released on its official WeChat on Tuesday.

The two sides have now disengaged from contact, Long said, urging India to strictly control and restrain the frontline troops and work with China to maintain peace and tranquility along the border.
So the story from China's side is that the Indian side started the brawl (again). I'm inclined to take the Chinese story as the truth, knowing too well the history of Indian credibility.

Faced with the trespass, the PLA dealt with the situation with professional, standard and powerful measures and stabilized the situation
Hmm. I wonder what the PLA colonel meant by "powerful measures"? A statement that is vague, yet badass at the same time. Maybe the PLA might release some more embarrassing Jawan footages if the Indian side escalates the media war again.
 

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GT article on the recent China-India Tawang flare up.
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So the story from China's side is that the Indian side started the brawl (again). I'm inclined to take the Chinese story as the truth, knowing too well the history of Indian credibility.


Hmm. I wonder what the PLA colonel meant by "powerful measures"? A statement that is vague, yet badass at the same time. Maybe the PLA might release some more embarrassing Jawan footages if the Indian side escalates the media war again.

Read on Weibo that seven suffered broken bones.

Colonel Ajai Shukla has said that his sources have told him the clash between Indian and Chinese soldiers at Yangtse in the Tawang Sector of the eastern border on December 9 led to 35 Indian soldiers having sustained injuries, seven of whom he believes can be called ‘serious.’
 

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What about the casualties on the Chinese side?

Confirmed by Indian media that China suffered 18,000 dead and at least 600,000 wounded. Also at least 60 J-20s were detected 2,000 miles away in East China Sea and shot down. India confirmed to have lost 2 dead and 6 wounded, but those 2 dead each killed about 500 Chinese in hand to hand combat before detonating grenades and taking an additional 2,000 each with them.

Also leaked photo by scared netizens shows some kind of advanced futuristic flying robot operated by Indian military flying over Beijing:

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GT article on the recent China-India Tawang flare up.
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So the story from China's side is that the Indian side started the brawl (again). I'm inclined to take the Chinese story as the truth, knowing too well the history of Indian credibility.


Hmm. I wonder what the PLA colonel meant by "powerful measures"? A statement that is vague, yet badass at the same time. Maybe the PLA might release some more embarrassing Jawan footages if the Indian side escalates the media war again.
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regarding this, "powerful" or "有力" is to be understood not in a metaphorical way but as an adverb to describe physical acts.

They also said footage leak from this incident is unlikely as PLA do not wish to draw attention to the specific equipment employed on this occasion.
 
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Bellum_Romanum

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@Overlord @twineedle and the rest of our Indian members and friends on this forum, what's your argument against what your own countries historical records, documents, and own then leaders actual thoughts about the border issues with China.

Your political leaders have never changed. The style is to assume what's yours based on arrogant assumptions, estimations of your own countries increased power over China and actually reneging on your own agreed understanding with China on the border and piece of land that was never yours to claim to begin with.


 

Bellum_Romanum

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Why does china wants Tawang from india ,even when none of the Arunachal Pradesh people and even Tawang people doesn't want to join china ? Tawang people itself revolted against PLA when china had taken control over Tawang in 1962 that's why PLA left Tawang quickly even after seizing it in 62 war ?
Well even if you want it then still you won't get it , because india won't give you an inch of land and india is not like Philippine, Vietnam or japan who will stay quiet when you took forcibly over south china sea Island in 2005 or do militry excerise in sea of Japan. The more you try the eager india will try to defend it and even push for button on economic growth as well a cooperate with america.

This is not mao , Deng era where you can "Teach india a lesson " again. You lost your time .
Why do you think China wants Tawang? Please explain And when did Tawang part of modern contemporary state of India?

I am quite curious as to what are your justifications, documents, and historical facts and records that show these lands have always belonged to the Indian subcontinent.

The South China Sea situation commentary you just made is an emblematic and embarrassing example of the way most Indians think when it comes to core issues and dismissive of China’s historical rights and claims on her periphery. The same arguments and pseudo rationale is used by folks in India and Indians in general when arguing claims on the border situation with China.

It would be better if countries like India, the Philippines and other countries focus developing their countries rather than to keep China as the raison d'etre for issues of nationalism and fake history.
 
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ACuriousPLAFan

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I don't think relationship between india and china will ever improve because most of the Chinese think tank and Chinese strageist look down on india and even they justify the Cpec road which china has built in disputed region of kashmir . China heavily supports pakistan by weapons to counter india and you say that we need to think of only devlopment wheareas xi jinping is telling that he won't give an inch of Chinese land and even renamed names of land in Arunachal Pradesh.
Here, let me tell you this:

ONE - Instead of blaming China for supporting and backing Pakistan, I believe it is way more logical for India to refer back to your colonial master in London and deal with them directly instead. Remember that China is not the one who caused the split of the British Raj between India and Pakistan in the first place. Neither China is the one who caused the full-blown animosity between India and Pakistan, which has been ongoing since the Raj split in 1947. That started long before the China of today headquartered in Beijing was formed, mind you.

TWO - Instead of blaming China for the China-India border crisis, I believe it is way more reasonable for India to refer back to your colonial master in London and deal with them directly instead. Remember that it was your colonial master who drawn up that border unilaterally with the Tibetan government without the exclusive permission from the central Qing government in Beijing, who actually held authority over Tibet at that time. Your colonial master is the one who did the wrong thing at first, therefore your colonial master is the one who causing all those mess, not China.

Oh, and just in case you forgot - China is not the country WHO HAS, IN THE PAST - AND WHO IS STILL HAVING, AT THE PRESENT, the entirety of her own fate and destiny grasped, toyed and mangled by a foreign colonial power, who then proceed to cause all the mess that we all are witnessing south of the Himalayan mountain ranges right now.

Remember that.


India never bothered much about your dispute with taiwan, hongkong, south china sea but your continuous obsession and claim over Arunachal Pradesh gives india no choice but to counter you .
Oh? Is that so?
 
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Bellum_Romanum

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In 1914 india has signed agreement with tibet government and got rights over some land , and during independence of India in 47 , a well drawn boundary got formed. Even if you claim it historically then why did you vacate the land which you won in 1962 war from india in Arunachal Pradesh ? You should have kept everything and after that you no need to ask for more but when war stopped and you seized 38,000 sq . Km land from india in aksai chin but after war you till kept demanding that Arunachal is yours and you need whole Arunachal and borde skrimish. A winner of war should not need to leave their the land which it had won but after leaving you still kept claiming, this is ridiculous.
It looks like you are still stuck in old era and want whole Arunachal Pradesh, and does salami slicing to earn few km of land even in latest 2020 conflict you earned some few km of land.
You have 4 lane road in your LAC side but stop india to build road in its LAC, you don't allow india to take loan for Arunachal devlopment from world bank.
All these things pushes india to counter you and make itself stronger or even make ties with someone who scares you and that is United States .

I don't think relationship between india and china will ever improve because most of the Chinese think tank and Chinese strageist look down on india and even they justify the Cpec road which china has built in disputed region of kashmir . China heavily supports pakistan by weapons to counter india and you say that we need to think of only devlopment wheareas xi jinping is telling that he won't give an inch of Chinese land and even renamed names of land in Arunachal Pradesh.

India never bothered much about your dispute with taiwan, hongkong, south china sea but your continuous obsession and claim over Arunachal Pradesh gives india no choice but to counter you .

Well india is also doing it's devlopment , it's slow but it's going forward , some companies from china has already shifted in india and some Chinese companies will go out from india.
Well you can try everything and if you want to take land of Arunachal through war then you can also try that but I don't think china has guts to start war with india but china already seems nervous with india when it's in indo Pacific.
and during independence of India in 47 , a well drawn boundary got formed
Again, don't make some callous statement without providing the document(s) that prove your claims.

I am reading that book written by an archivist/historian who work for your Indian government for 30 years and I even included that on the link for you to watch and read his book. But it seems that you're hell bent on telling a fictionalized history and perceived grievances against China depicting the country as an insatiable monster never satisfied on conquering lands. Such charge is fanciful and contradicts China's vast historical records.

Buddy, the modern state of India has had a head start from China ever since both countries established their modern day versions (47, 49). India has had the support of both the U.S. and Soviet Union. Allowed to take over Goa feom Portugal, using military means, whereas China incorporated Hong Kong with a f..d up arrangement of having ONE COUNTRY 2 systems, when in reality it was 2 COUNTRIES, 2 systems making the transition and integration of Hong Kong into China extra challenging and rebellion inducing culminating with the 2019 attempt at color revolution.

Taiwan is only a contentious issue due to the reneging and lies committed by the U.S. and Japan in handing back Taiwan to China (Please read the Cairo declaration) why do you think then ROC melted to the island of Formosa/Taiwan if it wasn't a part of China in the first place? And why would Japan take over Taiwan as part of their colonial prize in defeating China during the Sino-Japanese War of 1895 if it was not for China to give?

So, no the argument you're making (which is a grave mistake) that India must meddle into the affairs of China's core issues (historical legacy of imperialism and colonialism) as your counter attack against China is foolish, short sighted, and outright insulting. And it was not India's place to meddle into the territorial integrities of China to begin with. What an absurd logic and argument to be made in trying to justify Indian rationale against China. And no, China isn't scared of India, why would China be scared? You need to explain that part.

Funny thing though, when China was growing leaps and bounds economically (that's unprecedented in modern history) have you ever read from the leadership of China top or bottom, including their wealthy elites that China was on it's way to Supapowah status? Yes or No? As a matter of fact, the propaganda attack against China of today is that they have become wolf warrior like (as supposed to being the meekly China) doing away from Deng Xiaoping's "Hide your strength, bide your time."

There's a fundamental cultural difference between China and India. We don't brag and we don't make dumb ass promises or pronouncements that we are a super duper power. What Xi has expressed and his visions for the country such as MIC, dual circulation are the same concept and ideas that Modi have copied for your country but you know what's funny? China's intent no matter how noble and laudable will always be met with envy, scorn, doubt from you people. The attacks from the west are to be expected, but from India? The arrogance and know-it-all attitude smacks of misplaced arrogance which is rather sad.
 
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