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Already surpassed 2 decades of running and still anticipated to continue its services for at least the next ten years, the Sukhoi Su-30MKI “Flanker-H” has allowed the Indian Air Force to flaunt its capability to possess air superiority along with performing a wide range of missions in domains of air-to-ground combat. The heavyweight combat platform is derived from the classic Su-27 and optimized as per the requirements specified by New Delhi that will meet the criteria essential to suitably fit the IAF operational requirements. As of April 2022, 261 airframes are officially in service and spread across 12 combat squadrons, 1 combat training school (TACDE), and 1 flight and system test center (ASTE).

This abundance can be further glorified when comparatively analyzed vis-à-vis the Pakistan Air Force inventory, which
possesses 221 fourth-generation fighters (75 F-16ADF/AM/BM/C/D; 134 JF-17A/B; 5 J-10CE).
Among the salient features of the aircraft, is the diverse nature of sub-systems carried within the Russian-designed airframe. The integration of components from multiple manufacturers, that are France, Israel, and India, has allowed the organization to get the best from the world and combine them to achieve the desired objective.

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Rettam Stacf

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Already surpassed 2 decades of running and still anticipated to continue its services for at least the next ten years, the Sukhoi Su-30MKI “Flanker-H” has allowed the Indian Air Force to flaunt its capability to possess air superiority along with performing a wide range of missions in domains of air-to-ground combat. The heavyweight combat platform is derived from the classic Su-27 and optimized as per the requirements specified by New Delhi that will meet the criteria essential to suitably fit the IAF operational requirements. As of April 2022, 261 airframes are officially in service and spread across 12 combat squadrons, 1 combat training school (TACDE), and 1 flight and system test center (ASTE).

This abundance can be further glorified when comparatively analyzed vis-à-vis the Pakistan Air Force inventory, which
possesses 221 fourth-generation fighters (75 F-16ADF/AM/BM/C/D; 134 JF-17A/B; 5 J-10CE).
Among the salient features of the aircraft, is the diverse nature of sub-systems carried within the Russian-designed airframe. The integration of components from multiple manufacturers, that are France, Israel, and India, has allowed the organization to get the best from the world and combine them to achieve the desired objective.

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Your post just highlights a major weakness of Indian military and MIC. After 2 decades of operation and don't know how many more in planning prior to that, India still cannot indigenize the platform.

What India did with the SU-30 may be admirable for smaller countries like Israel, Pakistan, Singapore, Ukraine, or S Korea. But certainly not something to brag about for a military and economic power like India.
 

gelgoog

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The main failure is they haven't managed to indigenize the engines.

You could also argue that the non-Russian systems they incorporated are not cost effective and depend on too many expensive Western technology imports. Other countries have run into similar issues. I personally also think their own air to air missile developments are lackluster. There is no good reason why they couldn't have license produced Israeli missiles like China did. Or even Russian ones. Instead they mixed a hodgepodge of different missiles like ASRAAM, MICA, etc. Kind of bonkers and typically Indian.
 

Lethe

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Already surpassed 2 decades of running and still anticipated to continue its services for at least the next ten years, the Sukhoi Su-30MKI “Flanker-H” has allowed the Indian Air Force to flaunt its capability to possess air superiority along with performing a wide range of missions in domains of air-to-ground combat. The heavyweight combat platform is derived from the classic Su-27 and optimized as per the requirements specified by New Delhi that will meet the criteria essential to suitably fit the IAF operational requirements. As of April 2022, 261 airframes are officially in service and spread across 12 combat squadrons, 1 combat training school (TACDE), and 1 flight and system test center (ASTE).

This abundance can be further glorified when comparatively analyzed vis-à-vis the Pakistan Air Force inventory, which
possesses 221 fourth-generation fighters (75 F-16ADF/AM/BM/C/D; 134 JF-17A/B; 5 J-10CE).
Among the salient features of the aircraft, is the diverse nature of sub-systems carried within the Russian-designed airframe. The integration of components from multiple manufacturers, that are France, Israel, and India, has allowed the organization to get the best from the world and combine them to achieve the desired objective.

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Thanks for this article. While it is lacking some specific details, it provides a good overview both of the indigenisation efforts India has pursued for its Flanker inventory, and the challenges still to be met. India's large inventory of Flankers should allow suppliers to realise economies of scale that cannot be achieved with e.g. the limited Jaguar or Mirage 2000 inventories. These relatively unglamorous component and system-level indigenisation efforts can provide the foundations to be carried forward into LCA, AMCA, etc.
 

Rettam Stacf

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The main failure is they haven't managed to indigenize the engines.

You could also argue that the non-Russian systems they incorporated are not cost effective and depend on too many expensive Western technology imports. Other countries have run into similar issues. I personally also think their own air to air missile developments are lackluster. There is no good reason why they couldn't have license produced Israeli missiles like China did. Or even Russian ones. Instead they mixed a hodgepodge of different missiles like ASRAAM, MICA, etc. Kind of bonkers and typically Indian.

There are differences in indigenizing components versus indigenizing a platform.

China was unable to indigenize the engines for he SU-27 Flanker platform until recently. But China is able to indigenize the platform to create new variants like J-15 and J-16.

India is still in the process to indigenize components of the SU-30 and not the platform itself, and ended up having to purchase the Rafale.
 

sheen

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There are differences in indigenizing components versus indigenizing a platform.

China was unable to indigenize the engines for he SU-27 Flanker platform until recently. But China is able to indigenize the platform to create new variants like J-15 and J-16.

India is still in the process to indigenize components of the SU-30 and not the platform itself, and ended up having to purchase the Rafale.
20+ years to only start is pretty awful if you factor in service life of the entire airframe.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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Your post just highlights a major weakness of Indian military and MIC. After 2 decades of operation and don't know how many more in planning prior to that, India still cannot indigenize the platform.

What India did with the SU-30 may be admirable for smaller countries like Israel, Pakistan, Singapore, Ukraine, or S Korea. But certainly not something to brag about for a military and economic power like India.
Well, am sorry to tell you but you're wrong according to this report. Jai Hind!!

 

by78

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A major milestone. For the first time ever, after more than 16 years of development, two HAL Light Combat Helicopters have been photographed flying together.

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sheen

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A major milestone. For the first time ever, after more than 16 years of development, two HAL Light Combat Helicopters have been photographed flying together.

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exhaust nozzles aimed upwards directly against the downdraft of the rotors? :oops:
 
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