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Sardaukar20

Sardaukar20

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There are some opinions here that China is being too diplomatic to India. This criticism would be valid before the 2020 border crisis. I would argue that China's diplomacy today is not the same as what it did back in 2017.

Yes, China is sending condolences to India over their dead Army Chief. But at the same time, China is not easing up at Aksai Chin and South Tibet. Livefire exercises are still going on in Tibet. More and more powerful military hardware is pouring into the WTC. Its akin to giving a friendly smile at India while sharpening your sword. China is showing a friendly face, but if India tries something, China will not be messed with.

Same as Pakistan. Pakistan sent condolences to India. While the memory of Pakistan teaching India a lesson in 2019 still quite fresh on both sides.

China and Pakistan are not naive to show India some sympathy. To be shown sympathy from your sworn enemies is actually a type of subtle mockery for a so called 'Superpower'. Just like the Jawans at Galwan needing rescue and treatment from the PLA, after ambushing the PLA themselves. There are few greater humiliation than sympathy from your sworn enemies.
 
siegecrossbow

siegecrossbow

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Lethe said:
It should not have to be said that a hostile relationship with India does not serve China's interests. In the world of diplomacy, even small gestures can create opportunities for productive dialogue that did not otherwise exist. If such a gesture leads an important figure in India to moderate their language even only slightly, substituting a less inflammatory word in place of their first instinct, that is a victory. Relations between nations deteriorate over thousands of small steps until civil communication is no longer possible, and thawing and rebuilding those relations is a similarly arduous journey of a thousand small steps.
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I think you misunderstand the Indian psyche Lethe. How you see the situation is how China has tried to tackle the situation between Doklam and Galwan. The South Asian philosophy is very different from that of East Asians. China’s experience with Japan/Korea is entirely moot here, since they don’t have the “Face Culture” prevalent in East Asian societies. When China makes a concession or gesture of good will, India does not treat it such but instead an act of weakness and will further capitalize on it.

Compare the behavior of the Indians before and after the release of the Galwan captive pictures. See a difference? They acted the way they did before they thought China must be too scared of repercussions to release them.
 
DarkStar

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siegecrossbow said:
I think you misunderstand the Indian psyche Lethe. How you see the situation is how China has tried to tackle the situation between Doklam and Galwan. The South Asian philosophy is very different from that of East Asians. China’s experience with Japan/Korea is entirely moot here, since they don’t have the “Face Culture” prevalent in East Asian societies. When China makes a concession or gesture of good will, India does not treat it such but instead an act of weakness and will further capitalize on it.

Compare the behavior of the Indians before and after the release of the Galwan captive pictures. See a difference? They acted the way they did before they thought China must be too scared of repercussions to release them.
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It certainly explains why Indians have such reverence for their former colonial masters in the Anglo and why they worship their former Brahmin conquerors.
 
Xizor

Xizor

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longmarch said:
To improve a relationship takes two sides and there has to be a common understanding. Where is the common understanding? This is the guy who defines China as India's number one enemy. Did he do anything positive between the two countries?
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Gen. Bipin Rawat had a freudian slip or revealed what has been the belief of Indian Foreign policy planners and strategists for long. In fact, that India regarded China as the biggest enemy isn't a recent turn of events. India considered China as enemy no 1 since as back as 1959 but the 1962 war set it into stone.

Pakistan has always been the "family evil spirit" for India. China is the "Devil" itself. India however never considered an actual war with China, as never in the past had India been uniquely positioned to challenge both Pak and China. As events unfolded, India saw US/West stand with Pakistan and then initiate good relations with China and again stand with Pakistan due to variety of factors (Sino Soviet split,Soviet dissolution, China Opening up, Indian nuclear tests, War on terror etc).

Only since Xi did the chess board gotten clearer but that's due to China developing really fast and challenging US supremacy.
 
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