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Mohsin77

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The whole point of writing that scenario was to simply illustrate that India by itself is significant military power, and that maritime geography complicates victory over it a lot. It also illustrated(on a particular example), why PLAN is developing in a particular direction, and which problems it solves by doing that.
Why? Well, because this forum recently really got deep into India bashing mode. Which is annoying, - it's supposed to be about discussions, not another theater of war b/n netizens.

Adding 3rd countries beyond mentioning them on a basic level is simply too difficult and time-consuming. Even then, it's an interesting example in that it nicely illustrates two simple facts: one is that Pakistan is incredibly powerful asset in such a war, - even when it's on the other side of the Indian ocean. Another one is that there is yet another, purely naval reason why India is afraid of being surrounded.
It may seem illogical for a nation of Indian geography - but the fact is, it is vulnerable.

This is also perhaps the reason why they're quite nervous about this particular aspect of Sino-Pakistani cooperation.

Fair enough. I've also pointed out the strategic problem with Malacca Straits, but as I suggested, it doesn't belong on this thread because that is a target for a hypothetical US Coalition, not India alone. It's also an "all-in" move which will trigger WWIII. China is well aware of this and it is a core motivation for its BRI/CPEC alternative routes. China is also aware of the potential annoyance the Indian Navy can be if it is part of a US coalition, and this is a reason for the Air-Land threat that China is concentrating against India, in its new Western Theater Command, all along India's border. These are all important variables. And we can only ignore variables to simplify a model when the results approximate reality.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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The whole point of writing that scenario was to simply illustrate that India by itself is significant military power, and that maritime geography complicates victory over it a lot. It also illustrated(on a particular example), why PLAN is developing in a particular direction, and which problems it solves by doing that.
Why? Well, because this forum recently really got deep into India bashing mode. Which is annoying, - it's supposed to be about discussions, not another theater of war b/n netizens.

Adding 3rd countries beyond mentioning them on a basic level is simply too difficult and time-consuming. Even then, it's an interesting example in that it nicely illustrates two simple facts: one is that Pakistan is incredibly powerful asset in such a war, - even when it's on the other side of the Indian ocean. Another one is that there is yet another, purely naval reason why India is afraid of being surrounded.
It may seem illogical for a nation of Indian geography - but the fact is, it is vulnerable.

This is also perhaps the reason why they're quite nervous about this particular aspect of Sino-Pakistani cooperation.

Not really. IRBMs taking out Indian oil refineries and crude oil unloading/storage facilities denies them oil. But Indian IRBMs can't reach Chinese oil refineries, ports or storage on the east coast, middle of inner Mongolia or in Shanxi. India also has very little domestic oil, so without port handling, it is essentially denied oil. Even if it had oil, with refineries destroyed or degraded, it is useless. It also doesn't manufacture oil and gas equipment nor does it manufacturer oil and gas material handling equipment. That means once refineries go down to incendiaries they're irreplaceable.

China can always pay tankers triple price to route around Africa and through the Panama canal or Straits of Magellan for a short duration. This is because India can't block the straits of Hormuz. Even if US doesn't interfere (it will) it has to go through Pakistan and Iran. Even in a pure 1v1, if it tried, it won't have the naval power to contest Straits of Malacca simultaneously.

And that's just hitting Indian oil with IRBMs they can't stop. we haven't even gotten to hitting their military.
 

MrCrazyBoyRavi

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Regarding Recent Indian conflict with China and Pakistan, Why do Indian soldiers mostly use old military hardware like MIG (shot down) or Insas Rifle ( captured by PLA) ? Does the Indian only buy new military hardware to show off or they actually use them in conflict.
 

t2contra

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Fair enough. I've also pointed out the strategic problem with Malacca Straits, but as I suggested, it doesn't belong on this thread because that is a target for a hypothetical US Coalition, not India alone. It's also an "all-in" move which will trigger WWIII. China is well aware of this and it is a core motivation for its BRI/CPEC alternative routes. China is also aware of the potential annoyance the Indian Navy can be if it is part of a US coalition, and this is a reason for the Air-Land threat that China is concentrating against India, in its new Western Theater Command, all along India's border. These are all important variables. And we can only ignore variables to simplify a model when the results approximate reality.

Could you elaborate on the bold line?
 

FairAndUnbiased

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Regarding Recent Indian conflict with China and Pakistan, Why do Indian soldiers mostly use old military hardware like MIG (shot down) or Insas Rifle ( captured by PLA) ? Does the Indian only buy new military hardware to show off or they actually use them in conflict.
Indian Army is primarily a political army designed to protect the ruling caste of India, much like the Iraqi Republican Guard or the Saudi Army.

As such they only need issued weapons sufficient to suppress Pakistan and maybe some internal rebels in Kashmir, Nagaland, Assam, etc. The newest weapons are more of status symbols than to be actually used, kind of like Saudi F15s and Typhoons. China is far out of their league.
 

Sardaukar20

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An article from last week. Got some photos of the Indian Air Force showing off a Rafale carrying the SCALP missile.

IAF Rafale with SCALP 1.JPG
IAI Rafale SCALP 2.jpg
IAI Rafale SCALP 3.jpg

I just wonder why they need to show photos with flares dropping off the Rafale. It would require post-processing to underexpose the photo, darkening the image. Thus making it a little dark to see the SCALP missile in its full glory. If that was the actual intention for that photo-op.
 

Mohsin77

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I just wonder why they need to show photos with flares dropping off the Rafale. It would require post-processing to underexpose the photo, darkening the image. Thus making it a little dark to see the SCALP missile in its full glory. If that was the actual intention for that photo-op.

Despite the bollywood flair/flares, the IAF chief is aware that 2 squadrons of Rafales isn't going to cut it:

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