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Xizor

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It isn't much of a big deal in terms of actual weapon performance/competence. However, news of failure carries more weight with Brahmos since it is a weapon of major national prestige in India. Think of it as the Indian equivalent of J-20/J-10 crashing or DF-17 hypersonic missile failing to launch.
Not just that, Indians are replacing the Russian components with Indian ones. So failures mean the Indian replacements aren't doing its job.
Since Indian media claims that the Brahmos missile is a weapon that China should fear. I wonder how many, if any are being tested in the high altitude areas? I have not seen or found any confirmation about this. At least the PLARF have tested DF missiles in Tibet for a couple of years already. Should this not be important for India if the Brahmos is indeed their strike weapon of choice against China?

I'm betting, that no Brahmos was ever tested at high altitude terrain. Not even India's jingoistic media have confirmed anything like this. So far, all Brahmos tests that I know of have been at sea, on the coast, or at low land.
BrahMos should work very well. There are air launched versions of the missile. High altitude wouldn't be a problem.

What I'm more interested is in knowing it's targeting and detection capabilities for Air launched version. How exactly is it It used? I'm pretty sure the sukhoi can't use its Air to Air optimized radar to tag ground targets. So that means either the targets are predetermined and stored in the missile or a ground based radar does the job.
 

Gloire_bb

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What I'm more interested is in knowing it's targeting and detection capabilities for Air launched version. How exactly is it It used? I'm pretty sure the sukhoi can't use its Air to Air optimized radar to tag ground targets. So that means either the targets are predetermined and stored in the missile or a ground based radar does the job.
Technically uploading flight tasks in flight is its basic functionality - it's an ASCM, after all.

But I doubt anyone in their sane mind will try to use such weapons against land targets of opportunity. This is simply a completely wrong weapon for this purpose.
 

Xizor

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Technically uploading flight tasks in flight is its basic functionality - it's an ASCM, after all.

But I doubt anyone in their sane mind will try to use such weapons against land targets of opportunity. This is simply a completely wrong weapon for this purpose.
Indeed. But then how does a Ground based radar detect assets over mountains and other difficult terrain? I've apprehensions of Brahmos usage against Chinese targets in Tibet. Predetermined coordinates? Sure. Military bases and such.

The Air launched version therefore might be more suited for prosecuting Sea Assets and as you said not primarily land based targets.
 

Sardaukar20

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BrahMos should work very well. There are air launched versions of the missile. High altitude wouldn't be a problem.

What I'm more interested is in knowing it's targeting and detection capabilities for Air launched version. How exactly is it It used? I'm pretty sure the sukhoi can't use its Air to Air optimized radar to tag ground targets. So that means either the targets are predetermined and stored in the missile or a ground based radar does the job.
Sure, the Brahmos can operate at high altitude. But launching from a plane and launching from a ground launcher is another matter. The Indian media claims that they have moved ground-launched Brahmos missiles to Ladakh. Theoretically, they should work with no problems.

But launching is the easy part. How would the missile actually perform for the rest of its flight is the real question. How would it perform on mountainous terrains of the Himalayas? The navigation system on the Brahmos is optimized for naval combat, ie: flying over a featureless sea while scanning for targets. But how well then would the Brahmos fly around the Himalayan mountains to hit Chinese targets on the other side?

I'm assuming that Brahmos won't fly like a true cruise missile because of its 2.8 Mach cruising speed, coupled with its relative lack of maneuverability vs dedicated cruise missiles. Which means, the missile will have to fly to its target via a lofted trajectory. Essentially making it easier to detect and intercept. This is inferior to ballistic missiles because ballistic missiles travel far faster to the target (around Mach 7-12). Most of the modern Chinese SAMs have a top speed that can match or exceed the speed of the Brahmos missile.

If I am wrong, and the Brahmos is more versatile than I think it is, then India should have conducted a test of the missile at Ladakh or AP. India is not a secretive state like China. Any success, no matter how small or deluded, would surely be on their news.
 

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I laughed at first. Because I misread Mig & 21. I thought this is the Indian media boasting about Russia handing a commercial offer of Mig-21 to India. Its actually 21 units of Mig 29s. I was wrong.

Nevertheless, I still am laughing because this is Indian media word twisting. This whole article is actually just about Russia submitting to India a quotation for 21 units of Mig-29s. For most countries, its the deal that makes the big news, not the quotation stage. So why is this big news for them?
 

siegecrossbow

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I laughed at first. Because I misread Mig & 21. I thought this is the Indian media boasting about Russia handing a commercial offer of Mig-21 to India. Its actually 21 units of Mig 29s. I was wrong.

Nevertheless, I still am laughing because this is Indian media word twisting. This whole article is actually just about Russia submitting to India a quotation for 21 units of Mig-29s. For most countries, its the deal that makes the big news, not the quotation stage. So why is this big news for them?

The real question is if Rafale is so good why are Indians still buying fulcrums?
 
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