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The DRDO on Friday flight tested the Rustom-II/TAPAS BH MALE indigenous prototype drone and achieved 8 hours of flying at an altitude of 16000 ft at Chitradurga, Karnataka. The UAV is expected to achieve a height of 26000 ft and endurance of 18 hrs by 2020 end.
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India’s Nirbhay cruise missile test fails
Vivek Raghuvanshi
Mon, October 12, 2020, 1:26 PM CDT
NEW DELHI — The flight test of India’s 1000-kilometer-range cruise missile failed Monday following technical problems.
Nirbhay — an intermediate-range subsonic land-attack cruise missile with terrain hugging — is an Indian version of the American Tomahawk and the Russian Club SS-N-27 cruise missiles.
Defense scientists in India said the test failed within 8 minutes of the launch due to technical issues in the engine. They gave no further details.
The Nirbhay missile is currently powered by the Russian Saturn 50MT turbofan engine. Its local development began in 2007 with the Defence Research and Development Organisation.
A senior DRDO scientist said Nirbhay is a stealthy missile capable of delivering different warheads and is capable of loitering and attacking multiple targets.
“The cruise missiles like Tomahawk and Nirbhay (when successful) do not follow a ballistic parabola but are terrain-hugging in their path. Therefore, they are more difficult to detect by conventional radars. And hence more lethal and thus ,” an Army official said.
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India’s Nirbhay cruise missile test fails
Vivek Raghuvanshi
Mon, October 12, 2020, 1:26 PM CDT
NEW DELHI — The flight test of India’s 1000-kilometer-range cruise missile failed Monday following technical problems.
Nirbhay — an intermediate-range subsonic land-attack cruise missile with terrain hugging — is an Indian version of the American Tomahawk and the Russian Club SS-N-27 cruise missiles.
Defense scientists in India said the test failed within 8 minutes of the launch due to technical issues in the engine. They gave no further details.
The Nirbhay missile is currently powered by the Russian Saturn 50MT turbofan engine. Its local development began in 2007 with the Defence Research and Development Organisation.
A senior DRDO scientist said Nirbhay is a stealthy missile capable of delivering different warheads and is capable of loitering and attacking multiple targets.
“The cruise missiles like Tomahawk and Nirbhay (when successful) do not follow a ballistic parabola but are terrain-hugging in their path. Therefore, they are more difficult to detect by conventional radars. And hence more lethal and thus ,” an Army official said.
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What's Chinese equivalent of this missile? CJ-10?Well better luck luck next time around
India’s Nirbhay cruise missile test fails
Vivek Raghuvanshi
Mon, October 12, 2020, 1:26 PM CDT
NEW DELHI — The flight test of India’s 1000-kilometer-range cruise missile failed Monday following technical problems.
Nirbhay — an intermediate-range subsonic land-attack cruise missile with terrain hugging — is an Indian version of the American Tomahawk and the Russian Club SS-N-27 cruise missiles.
Defense scientists in India said the test failed within 8 minutes of the launch due to technical issues in the engine. They gave no further details.
The Nirbhay missile is currently powered by the Russian Saturn 50MT turbofan engine. Its local development began in 2007 with the Defence Research and Development Organisation.
A senior DRDO scientist said Nirbhay is a stealthy missile capable of delivering different warheads and is capable of loitering and attacking multiple targets.
“The cruise missiles like Tomahawk and Nirbhay (when successful) do not follow a ballistic parabola but are terrain-hugging in their path. Therefore, they are more difficult to detect by conventional radars. And hence more lethal and thus ,” an Army official said.
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Yes the direct on paper capability equivalent would be CJ-10. But CJ-10 was designed and built after decades of experience reverse engineering Soviet cruise missiles purchased in the past, building own, modifying, improving, and building entirely different cruise missiles.
The mechanisms actually are not difficult at all. I assume India should have the engine, fuel, airframe done competently already if not soon. The hard part is the guidance which involves some form of communication with the missile, terrain navigation, overall approach navigation, target identification, and final phase homing. Obviously they've also got these systems working to some degree already. Probably just not with the reliability and consistency they are aiming for. As for this recent failure, seems more like a mechanical thing but could have involved some minor internal hardware or software components.
China's Silkworm cruise missile had not just all the above capabilities but also radar avoidance. It was reverse-engineered from a Soviet Termite missile platform but continuously improved when it came to the sub-systems until eventually differing quite a lot from the original purchased Termites. I believe the latest variants are still in service. China has fielded for decades about a dozen different types of cruise missiles from land launched to ship, submarine, and air launched. Some have been retired for years if not a decade. Look at the HN series. India does not have the decades of ground work in learning and reverse engineering and the decades of modifying and improving those reverse engineered platforms before developing their own. India has not fielded a single, at least self built/assembled, cruise missile for any span of time in comparison. Brahmos doesn't count explained below.
CJ-10 is the first Chinese cruise missile (after studying the Kh-55 and allegedly also unexploded Tomahawks) that is self-developed from the ground up and less of the old continuously improved and modified version of a Soviet missile path. Russian missiles like the Kalibr and Klub are also purchased and reverse engineered into YJ-18 as an example of China also continuing with buying and reverse engineering what they consider extremely useful and capable platforms. India has no experience and no one is sharing tech with them with terrain navigating conventional cruise missiles. So this will take some time and a lot of money to get right.
I won't consider DF-100 in the same class because of its unknown trajectory. Same with the Brahmos. It's not in the same class. In fact Brahmos is much weaker and less useful as a land attack version compared to the Nirbhay because flying high and fast isn't effective these days unless you're hypersonic, maneuvering, and smallish. Brahmos is only mach 3, doesn't maneuver, is huge, and travel relatively predictable and easily detected trajectories. DF-100 is much smaller, hypersonic, likely maneuvers and possibly skips around the upper atmosphere.
I should add that CJ-10 surely would have benefited from studying modern cruise missiles like Kh-55 and Tomahawk if those things happened but there's only so much you can study of the software and internal layouts. These allegations of Chinese engineers accessing Kh-55 and Tomahawk are rather flimsy... at least with the Tomahawks.
CJ-10 has a totally different structural layout to both Kh-55 and Tomahawk. The intakes are different. No doubt the engines and rocket booster are different. Software side the CJ-10 would be networked with the rest of Chinese platforms same with comms and terrain navigation and target ID were all already mastered decades before. At most they'd have taken a close look at how the Russian and Americans laid out the internals and balanced their missiles, how they positioned things and what sort of engine, fuel, guidance, seekers, and comms types that they used.
YJ-62 has a much stronger outward resemblance to Kh-55 which itself also has resemblance to Tomahawk which the Nirbhay also resembles. It's not correct to assume lineage based on wing and engine layout.
CJ-10 has a totally different structural layout to both Kh-55 and Tomahawk. The intakes are different. No doubt the engines and rocket booster are different. Software side the CJ-10 would be networked with the rest of Chinese platforms same with comms and terrain navigation and target ID were all already mastered decades before. At most they'd have taken a close look at how the Russian and Americans laid out the internals and balanced their missiles, how they positioned things and what sort of engine, fuel, guidance, seekers, and comms types that they used.
YJ-62 has a much stronger outward resemblance to Kh-55 which itself also has resemblance to Tomahawk which the Nirbhay also resembles. It's not correct to assume lineage based on wing and engine layout.
Anyway it's quite important for India to develop the Nirbhay and put it into service. It is quite a critical capability gap for India at the moment. NATO is moving towards stealthy air launched cruise missiles and Russia and US are both surely developing hypersonic ones while China's already fielded one. Nirbhay being India's first attempt may have teething issues and still a long learning curve when it comes to improving its terrain navigation and target identification tech. They'll continue modernising and upgrading Nirbhay when it eventually gets working and into service.
There's no doubt in my mind that India would have unofficially sought some technical assistance from Russia or Ukraine perhaps even the US but all would be unlikely to offer anything of value. They'll have realised that no foreign power are ever willing to help with such highly regarded technical matters without enormous prices. In this regard, the accusations of China accessing xyz and Russians giving things away wholesale is utter bs. At most they would have toured the factories in a controlled environment and looked at some critical things.
There's no doubt in my mind that India would have unofficially sought some technical assistance from Russia or Ukraine perhaps even the US but all would be unlikely to offer anything of value. They'll have realised that no foreign power are ever willing to help with such highly regarded technical matters without enormous prices. In this regard, the accusations of China accessing xyz and Russians giving things away wholesale is utter bs. At most they would have toured the factories in a controlled environment and looked at some critical things.
Well better luck luck next time around
India’s Nirbhay cruise missile test fails
Vivek Raghuvanshi
Mon, October 12, 2020, 1:26 PM CDT
NEW DELHI — The flight test of India’s 1000-kilometer-range cruise missile failed Monday following technical problems.
Nirbhay — an intermediate-range subsonic land-attack cruise missile with terrain hugging — is an Indian version of the American Tomahawk and the Russian Club SS-N-27 cruise missiles.
Defense scientists in India said the test failed within 8 minutes of the launch due to technical issues in the engine. They gave no further details.
The Nirbhay missile is currently powered by the Russian Saturn 50MT turbofan engine. Its local development began in 2007 with the Defence Research and Development Organisation.
A senior DRDO scientist said Nirbhay is a stealthy missile capable of delivering different warheads and is capable of loitering and attacking multiple targets.
“The cruise missiles like Tomahawk and Nirbhay (when successful) do not follow a ballistic parabola but are terrain-hugging in their path. Therefore, they are more difficult to detect by conventional radars. And hence more lethal and thus ,” an Army official said.
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