For the moment, India's spending is largely going overseas and not really developing domestic industries. The few examples are so far between and of smaller budgetary scales with the exception of the MKI which is quite a success. This increased level of spending may end up hurting them more unless they reverse the trend and the billions end up in Indian pockets. As their economic growth accelerates, they will only become an increasing "threat" to PRC's influence and political weight in the region. Unless both start settling disputes and work out some effective mechanism in deescalating tensions before they end up as conflict (from media shit-throwing fest to actual shooting war), this level of intolerance for each other is here to stay and will worsen with time, much to the delight and possible intention of western forces. China's perspective is simple, simply outgun and out-develop India in every way possible to reduce potential of conflict in the higher end of Indian threat, and keep borders secure in the lower end i.e. growing overpopulation and social problems in India eventually creating migration issues decades or centuries later.
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Lethe
Captain
If trends continue, India's military spending will surpass Russia (and Saudi Arabia) in the next few years.
Playing around with the latest SIPRI expenditure spreadsheet, I notice that the long-term decline in India's defence spending as a proportion of China's has just about halted in recent years. It hit a low of 25% in 2015 but has since climbed and held at 26% for 2016 & 2017.
India's Military Spending as a Proportion of China's in constant 2016 USD
1990: 88%
2000: 66%
2010: 35%
2017: 26%
Playing around with the latest SIPRI expenditure spreadsheet, I notice that the long-term decline in India's defence spending as a proportion of China's has just about halted in recent years. It hit a low of 25% in 2015 but has since climbed and held at 26% for 2016 & 2017.
India's Military Spending as a Proportion of China's in constant 2016 USD
1990: 88%
2000: 66%
2010: 35%
2017: 26%
@kwaigonegin and @Lethe
The article shows a picture of India's Chakra Akula sub, but then speak of the Arihant SSBN.
The two subs are VASTLY different in size and capability.
It is good that the Arihant (which is the 1st endogenously built Indian nuclear sub and is mean to be a SSBN) has been built, but foolish that it suffered damage for such a stupid reason.
The Akula class Chakra is a strong SSN with SSGN capabilities because it can carry Granite or Kalibr cruise missiles that are fired from the torpedo tubes (not VLS).
None the less, the Chakra is an important asset for the Indians and they are tying to obtain a second one from the Russians which would be wise IMHO. They need two to be able to have one always available to escort one of their front line carriers.
So, lets nt confuse the Chakra Akula sub the Indian have and their own indegenous Arihant. The Arihant initially has relative short range SLBM, but will ultimately carry longer ranged missile when the Indian complete them
The article shows a picture of India's Chakra Akula sub, but then speak of the Arihant SSBN.
The two subs are VASTLY different in size and capability.
It is good that the Arihant (which is the 1st endogenously built Indian nuclear sub and is mean to be a SSBN) has been built, but foolish that it suffered damage for such a stupid reason.
The Akula class Chakra is a strong SSN with SSGN capabilities because it can carry Granite or Kalibr cruise missiles that are fired from the torpedo tubes (not VLS).
None the less, the Chakra is an important asset for the Indians and they are tying to obtain a second one from the Russians which would be wise IMHO. They need two to be able to have one always available to escort one of their front line carriers.
So, lets nt confuse the Chakra Akula sub the Indian have and their own indegenous Arihant. The Arihant initially has relative short range SLBM, but will ultimately carry longer ranged missile when the Indian complete them
Jura The idiot
General
after Jan 13, 2017
Collapse Of 250 Ton Goliath Crane At GRSE To Impact India’s Most Advanced Warships Program
and Jun 22, 2017
now:some time ago
Jan 13, 2017
now
Last two Scorpene submarines from Mazgaon Docks to join Navy without AIP system
what game-changing submarines! revolutionary, a quantum leap (though backwards
Collapse Of 250 Ton Goliath Crane At GRSE To Impact India’s Most Advanced Warships Program
kwaigonegin
Colonel
Goliath cranes are made by Kone cranes in the USA. They don’t just collapse. They are made to the highest safety standards and used in dry docks all over the world. I wonder what happened and if there were any injuries or fatalities. I wonder about maintenance as well. For a crane like that to collapsed had to be due to either some unfortunate accident or severe lack of maintenance.
plawolf
Lieutenant General
Or imporper use, like trying to lift something way heavier than what the crane was designed for.
Normal safety margins for civilian construction equipment is a minimal of 2x stated maximum capacity, meaning if something was rated to lift 100ton max, it should be able to lift 200ton for short durations without issue, although doing so regularly runs a significant risk of accelerated structural degradation and damage.
It is not uncommon in 3rd world countries for one cowboy to overload something, and when he and/or his buddies sees nothing bad happen straight away, they start overloading regularly and often forgets all about the rated maximums, and that’s when bad things start to actually happen.
Not saying this is what happened here, but it would not surprise me if it did.
Normal safety margins for civilian construction equipment is a minimal of 2x stated maximum capacity, meaning if something was rated to lift 100ton max, it should be able to lift 200ton for short durations without issue, although doing so regularly runs a significant risk of accelerated structural degradation and damage.
It is not uncommon in 3rd world countries for one cowboy to overload something, and when he and/or his buddies sees nothing bad happen straight away, they start overloading regularly and often forgets all about the rated maximums, and that’s when bad things start to actually happen.
Not saying this is what happened here, but it would not surprise me if it did.
The standard factor of safety varies between nations, states, and equipments. There is no normal margin to use and it's usually not near 2x, much less more than that. If something exceeds FoS like stressing a crane, it depends on elasticity and deformation. One can repeat "overloads" for as many times as they like if these overloads are within certain material property limits. This is either a case of considerable overload (not repeats of smaller ones although those could also have taken place) and/or failure to maintain the equipment and find problems well before they get out of hand.
Crane collapses are unfortunately nothing new and does happen in China as well. India is certainly not exceptional in enforcing standards. Even well developed western nations often have bad attitudes to maintenance and safety on occasion. This just indicates that Indian industrial practices are likely negligent to a much higher degree than in the west which we all probably assume.
Crane collapses are unfortunately nothing new and does happen in China as well. India is certainly not exceptional in enforcing standards. Even well developed western nations often have bad attitudes to maintenance and safety on occasion. This just indicates that Indian industrial practices are likely negligent to a much higher degree than in the west which we all probably assume.