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Dizasta1

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BRING IT ON Indian Army Pakistan is ready, we have seen IA empty threats in the past also, nothing new. I don't know in which fools paradise does this Indian media lives without even recognizing that IA lacks any meaningful SP Arty. Pakistan has enough gunships and helicopters to take care of these IBG with rapid deployments. A demo was shown in the swat operation. Most of Pakistani army garrisons are also to the border too. We will not need to use Nasr

Chose to ignore flame baits, because that's all they are. Move forward with intellect, not getting drawn into someone else's argument. You are better than that. Adhere to the forum rules, be observant and be engaging in discussions which have substance and meaning.

I say this to you and timepass, as your fellow countryman and brother.
 

Hendrik_2000

Brigadier
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India, Russia fail to finalize S-400 air-defense deal
By: Vivek Raghuvanshi   14 hours ago
Russia's S-400 air defense missile systems at the Hmeimim air base in the Syrian province of Latakia. (AFP via the Russian Defence Ministry)
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NEW DELHI ― India’s ongoing negotiations with Russia for the $5 billion-plus purchase of five S-400 Triumf long-range surface-to-air missile systems are in deadlock yet again.

Indian Ministry of Defence officials, top brass with Russian arms export agency Rosoboronexport, and Almaz-Antey, the original equipment manufacturer and designer, have failed to reach a settlement on the price, training, service support and transfer of technology of the missiles, a top MoD official said.

“Russia is demanding $5.5 billion for the five [S-400] units, very high training fee and refusing to give technology transfer of three types of guided missiles,” the official said, adding that no plan has yet been offered for service and a spares-support package.

Another MoD official said the final contract is not going to be signed anytime soon, and India will not pay more than $4.5 billion for the systems. He noted that the deal would incorporate a Make in India economic policy in regard to the manufacturing of spares, the guided missiles and a life-time service support package.

Rosoboronexport executives were unavailable for comment.

India and Russia signed an intergovernmental agreement on the sale of the S-400 systems during a bilateral summit in October 2016 in Goa, India, in the presence of Russian President Vladimir Putin and Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi.

The MoD’s apex procurement body, the Defence Acquisition Council, approved in December 2015 the purchase of five S-400s at a cost of about $4.5 billion.

“The service has already carried out two separate rounds of trails in Russia last year, but our air defense personnel have to undergo robust training to successfully operate S-400 Triumf systems before they are inducted,” a senior Indian Air Force official said.
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The Russian-built S-400 systems are capable of intercepting and destroying airborne targets at a distance of up to 400 kilometers (250 miles) and can simultaneously engage up to six targets. Each S-400 comprises tracking and search radar systems, eight launchers, 112 guided missiles, and command and support vehicles.

Another Air Force official said the S-400s will help the service counter ballistic missiles and target stealth aircraft. He added that the system would have three types of guided missiles. He also asserted that an India-owned S-400 would easily overpower Pakistan’s air defense capabilities and prove a match against China’s strategic assets.

India will be the second customer after China to acquire S-400 systems from Russia.
 
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India, Russia fail to finalize S-400 air-defense deal
By: Vivek Raghuvanshi   14 hours ago
Russia's S-400 air defense missile systems at the Hmeimim air base in the Syrian province of Latakia. (AFP via the Russian Defence Ministry)
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NEW DELHI ― India’s ongoing negotiations with Russia for the $5 billion-plus purchase of five S-400 Triumf long-range surface-to-air missile systems are in deadlock yet again.

Indian Ministry of Defence officials, top brass with Russian arms export agency Rosoboronexport, and Almaz-Antey, the original equipment manufacturer and designer, have failed to reach a settlement on the price, training, service support and transfer of technology of the missiles, a top MoD official said.

“Russia is demanding $5.5 billion for the five [S-400] units, very high training fee and refusing to give technology transfer of three types of guided missiles,” the official said, adding that no plan has yet been offered for service and a spares-support package.

Another MoD official said the final contract is not going to be signed anytime soon, and India will not pay more than $4.5 billion for the systems. He noted that the deal would incorporate a Make in India economic policy in regard to the manufacturing of spares, the guided missiles and a life-time service support package.

Rosoboronexport executives were unavailable for comment.

India and Russia signed an intergovernmental agreement on the sale of the S-400 systems during a bilateral summit in October 2016 in Goa, India, in the presence of Russian President Vladimir Putin and Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi.

The MoD’s apex procurement body, the Defence Acquisition Council, approved in December 2015 the purchase of five S-400s at a cost of about $4.5 billion.

“The service has already carried out two separate rounds of trails in Russia last year, but our air defense personnel have to undergo robust training to successfully operate S-400 Triumf systems before they are inducted,” a senior Indian Air Force official said.
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The Russian-built S-400 systems are capable of intercepting and destroying airborne targets at a distance of up to 400 kilometers (250 miles) and can simultaneously engage up to six targets. Each S-400 comprises tracking and search radar systems, eight launchers, 112 guided missiles, and command and support vehicles.

Another Air Force official said the S-400s will help the service counter ballistic missiles and target stealth aircraft. He added that the system would have three types of guided missiles. He also asserted that an India-owned S-400 would easily overpower Pakistan’s air defense capabilities and prove a match against China’s strategic assets.

India will be the second customer after China to acquire S-400 systems from Russia.

This turn of events is not too surprising actually. These were the same set of problems that plagued the purchase of the French Rafale fighters back then. The main problem with Indian military procurement it that not only do they want military technology transfer and local manufacturing, they also want the foreign supplier to guarantee the quality of the locally produced units as well.
No sane supplier can possibly agree to such a deal unless they have absolutely no choice.
 

Dizasta1

Senior Member
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India, Russia fail to finalize S-400 air-defense deal
By: Vivek Raghuvanshi   14 hours ago
Russia's S-400 air defense missile systems at the Hmeimim air base in the Syrian province of Latakia. (AFP via the Russian Defence Ministry)
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NEW DELHI ― India’s ongoing negotiations with Russia for the $5 billion-plus purchase of five S-400 Triumf long-range surface-to-air missile systems are in deadlock yet again.

Indian Ministry of Defence officials, top brass with Russian arms export agency Rosoboronexport, and Almaz-Antey, the original equipment manufacturer and designer, have failed to reach a settlement on the price, training, service support and transfer of technology of the missiles, a top MoD official said.

“Russia is demanding $5.5 billion for the five [S-400] units, very high training fee and refusing to give technology transfer of three types of guided missiles,” the official said, adding that no plan has yet been offered for service and a spares-support package.

Another MoD official said the final contract is not going to be signed anytime soon, and India will not pay more than $4.5 billion for the systems. He noted that the deal would incorporate a Make in India economic policy in regard to the manufacturing of spares, the guided missiles and a life-time service support package.

Rosoboronexport executives were unavailable for comment.

India and Russia signed an intergovernmental agreement on the sale of the S-400 systems during a bilateral summit in October 2016 in Goa, India, in the presence of Russian President Vladimir Putin and Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi.

The MoD’s apex procurement body, the Defence Acquisition Council, approved in December 2015 the purchase of five S-400s at a cost of about $4.5 billion.

“The service has already carried out two separate rounds of trails in Russia last year, but our air defense personnel have to undergo robust training to successfully operate S-400 Triumf systems before they are inducted,” a senior Indian Air Force official said.
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The Russian-built S-400 systems are capable of intercepting and destroying airborne targets at a distance of up to 400 kilometers (250 miles) and can simultaneously engage up to six targets. Each S-400 comprises tracking and search radar systems, eight launchers, 112 guided missiles, and command and support vehicles.

Another Air Force official said the S-400s will help the service counter ballistic missiles and target stealth aircraft. He added that the system would have three types of guided missiles. He also asserted that an India-owned S-400 would easily overpower Pakistan’s air defense capabilities and prove a match against China’s strategic assets.

India will be the second customer after China to acquire S-400 systems from Russia.

Saw that coming from a mile!

The Russians are 100% correct on this one. There is a flawed thinking in the Indian procurement doctrine which messing up all their big ticket procurement deals.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

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Do not Panic...
Calm down everyone, there’s no plan to put an F-35 production line in India
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WASHINGTON and NEW DELHI — Rumors of an F-35 production line in India have been greatly exaggerated.

Over the weekend, multiple news outlets ran stories based on a
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stating that Lockheed Martin had proposed to manufacture a “custom-built F-35” in India.

However, it appears that the story was the result of confusion between discussion on the F-35 and the company’s
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. Lockheed has no intention of building an F-35 line in India at this time.



“F-35 production is based [in] Fort Worth, Texas, and Final Assembly and Checkout Operations (FACO) facilities are located in Cameri, Italy, and Nagoya, Japan. The article referencing F-35 production in India was misreported and incorrect. The conversation was in regards to F-16 production,” Lockheed spokesman Michael Friedman said Monday.

A top Indian Ministry of Defence official told Defense News that “there is no such plan, and no official proposal has come from U.S. government and Lockheed Martin” to produce F-35s in India in the future.

To defense industry outsiders, writing a story correcting the record may seem like nitpicking what was very likely an honest mistake on the part of PTI. However, to those who follow the F-35 program, the thought of Lockheed offering such a partnership to India out of the blue seems strange, or perhaps even unthinkable.



Although it’s possible that India will eventually buy F-35s — and if it does, it would almost certainly garner some industrial participation, as all Joint Strike Fighter customers do — there are a couple reasons why Lockheed would not currently offer this deal.

First off, there’s no pressing need. Lockheed is currently negotiating its 11th lot of low-rate production for the F-35 program, with thousands of planes still yet to be produced and numerous foreign deals likely. Therefore,
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by Lockheed and the F-35 Joint Program Office, who complete those contracts among customers as a way to lower cost.

For instance, Lockheed Martin has reached separate deals with Italy and Japan for final assembly and checkout of selected countries’ planes. However, the partnerships came after those countries had committed to buying the F-35, received approval from the U.S. State Department and resolved to invest in standing up production facilities — all conditions that India has not met at this time.

The F-16’s future is a different story. Production of the F-16 wrapped up in Fort Worth last year; and although a deal with Bahrain for 19 new F-16Vs has been cleared by the U.S. State Department and is under contract negotiation, Lockheed lacks a major, long-term customer for the aircraft.

India, which has a
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, could fill that role.



Lockheed has offered to relocate the production line to India if the country decides to buy a large number of F-16s and has already come to an agreement with Indian defense contractor Tata Advanced Systems Limited, which would perform final assembly of the aircraft. Saab is offering a similar industrial partnership with its Gripen E jet.

The other issue is technology transfer. The fourth-generation F-16 was designed in the 1970s and widely exported, with production lines set up in countries like South Korea and Turkey.

Meanwhile, the F-35 is the U.S. military’s most advanced plane, filled with sensitive technology and software that, if it fell into the wrong hands, could threaten to undo the United States’ advantage in aerial combat. Sales are highly controlled and have been limited to NATO countries and close allies like Japan, South Korea and Australia.

India has made technology transfer a requirement for any military sale, but it’s not at all clear whether the United States would approve that for the F-35. A further complication is the Indian Air Force’s defense industrial ties to Russia and China, such as its development of a
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, or FGFA, with Russia.

“IAF has a requirement of FGFA and an agreement with Russia is already in place,” said Daljit Singh, a retired Air force air marshal and defense analyst. “Therefore, India may not show interest in procurement of F-35 fighters.”

Further, Indian defense contractors had never completely produced a fighter jet in-country and are likely not ready to produce something as advanced as the F-35.

“[The] F-16, on the other hand, could be tailored to meet specific requirements of the IAF and would be easier to make in India as compared to the F-35 fighters,” Singh said.

In short, Lockheed Martin would have nothing to lose — either financially or in terms of technological risk — by offering up F-16 production capabilities to India. The exact opposite would be said of a proposal to send F-35 production to India.
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Deino

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@timepass & @Aliusman

Can we please leave this sort of "nationalistic chest thumping" out of SDF and at other forums please !

This is a thread for military news and not for warmongering.

Deino
 

timepass

Brigadier
>> Indian Opposition Attacks Modi Government for Keeping Rafale Price Under Wraps . . .

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The $8.8 billion outlay for the deal includes, in addition to the per unit cost of 36 Rafale jets, the cost of weapons, equipment, tools, documentation, training, and logistics – the contract of many of which will go to India’s private sector.

New Delhi (
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) — The Narendra Modi-led government of India has refused to divulge the cost-per-unit of the 36 Rafale fighter jets it is buying from France. When attacked by the opposition over the allegedly "exorbitant" outlay for the purchase, Defense Minister Nirmala Sitharama told the Parliament that the details of the deal could not be divulged as it is "classified information."

"As per Article-10 of the Inter-Governmental Agreement between Government of India and Government of France on the purchase of Rafale aircraft, the protection of the classified information and material exchanged under the Inter-Governmental Agreement is governed by the provisions of the Security Agreement signed between the two nations in 2008," Sitharaman has claimed in her written response to the query.

Opposition leader Rahul Gandhi has alleged that the deal smells of a huge scam and that Prime Minister Modi has tweaked the specifics of the deal to benefit "a businessman."

The India-France inter-governmental agreement on the purchase of 36 Rafale fighter jets for the Indian armed forces has been shrouded in controversy ever since it was signed on September 26, 2016 — two-and-a-half years after the Bharatiya Janta Party came to power. The earlier government led by the Congress Party had entered into a similar agreement with France to purchase 126 Rafale jets, but the deal did not come through as the party was voted out of power before the price of the fighter jets could be finalized.

This is a scam being covered under the garb of secrecy pact! Didn't Def Min in her press conf promise she would share the price at which jets were bought and the deal was sealed?
National Security has become the last refuge of the dishonest.

#Sputnik
 

Dizasta1

Senior Member
This is an interesting development. Although it's an indication on India's part and this has not even entered the initial phase of negotiations. Questions rise from this news, for instance, does this mean that India will pursue both Su-57s as well as F-35s? Or does it indicate that India may be dropping it's pursuit of Su-57s. Which is unlikely since India has invested a considerable amount of resources toward the endeavor. But if the possibility exists, then what would that mean for Sukhoi? But I do not believe this to be the case. And if that is so, then acquiring two very different design oriented Combat Stealth Aircraft would be quite an undertaking for the indian air force. It would require India to establish two fundamentally different maintenance and support infrastructure at the very core of the air force. And if India pursues further procurement of the Rafales. Then Indian Air Force would be operating three different aircraft, from three different manufacturers and three countries. Namely Russia, France and America.

It would seem as though the Indian Air Force making it a time honored tradition of procuring different aircraft manufacturing countries.

Whichever the case, it would be interesting to see what actually pans out in the end. If we are to witness the Indian Air Force operate Su-57s, F-35s and Rafales in the future.
 

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