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twitch

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The Tavor used by Indian elite units and licensed for Indian builds.

Tavor's arent made in India, every single one is imported.

I dont know what's your gripe with MCIWS, it's something DRDO was following from an army RFI, one requirement was the multi cal capability, which now the army is retracting. So DRDO chased a requirement which now the user dont even care for. We dont even know what the future of the rifle will be.

I want to tell you something also, if Tavors are made in India, they'll be made by OFB, which is the same company that produces some of the crap quality INSASs. You are still going to get some Tavors made by the same dinosaur government owned company, OFB, that holds a monopoly in this sector. Nothing changed.

India needs to stop holding back it's private sector in this field(which its thankfully now doing), other wise unaccountable, slow, inefficient gov own companies like OFB will do what it always does.

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ARDE MCIWS Prototype

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ARDE Cornshot Prototype

 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
Tavor's arent made in India, every single one is imported.
wrong. Which leads into the next Post.

I want to tell you something also, if Tavors are made in India, they'll be made by OFB, which is the same company that produces some of the crap quality INSASs. You are still going to get some Tavors made by the same dinosaur government owned company, OFB, that holds a monopoly in this sector. Nothing changed.
Correct!
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Indian model the "Zittara"
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India needs to stop holding back it's private sector in this field(which its thankfully now doing), other wise unaccountable, slow, inefficient gov own companies like OFB will do what it always does.
well can't argue with that. but hears what I can argue with.
I dont know what's your gripe with MCIWS, it's something DRDO was following from an army RFI, one requirement was the multi cal capability, which now the army is retracting. So DRDO chased a requirement which now the user dont even care for. We dont even know what the future of the rifle will be.
My grip is not the rifle you picture, That's fine My gripe is with the MCAR not the MCIWS. The MCAR was the requirement The MCIWS was created for, Along with the MCIWS Beretta ARX 160, CZ 805 BREN, a unknown Colt model and IWI ACE were also offered. however a open evaluation was never launched of these systems. instead priority was placed to adopting a derivitive of the INSAS due to preference.
 

twitch

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Yeah, Im not a fan of the MCAR, nor many of armies RFI.

And know of the Zittara, it never materialized. I dont know why OFB has that on their site, nor have I seen any, "Zittara", in any OFB stalls. Who always show their latest entries.
 
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aksha

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Russia selects Anil Ambani's Pipavav to make frigates for Indian Navy

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The Russian government has chosen Anil Ambani's Pipavav shipyard for a 'Make in India' naval frigate order that is likely to exceed $3 billion, making it the private sector's biggest-ever warship-building project.

With public sector shipyards tied up in executing current orders and the Indian Navy battling to increase fleet strength, the government has been in advanced talks for the past several months with Russia for three to four upgraded Talwar class frigates, classified as Project 11356 vessels. Moscow, which has been keen to build the frigates at a Russian shipyard, was firmly told last year that the order would only be placed through the Make in India route but it would have the flexibility to choose an Indian partner for the project.

After an evaluation of several Indian shipyards, including that of Larsen & Toubro, Russia has formally informed the defence ministry that Pipavav has been chosen as its Indian partner for the project. Officials said a formal letter was sent by Federal Service for Military Technical Cooperation (FSMTC) director Alexander Fomin last week confirming the partnership. The record deal is the first one landed by Pipavav after it was taken over by Anil Ambani's Reliance Group recently. The contract for the new frigates is likely to be in the form of a government-togovernment order with Russia and could be signed this financial year with delivery expected over the next six to eight years. Vice-chief of naval staff, Vice-Admiral P Murugesan, has confirmed that exploratory talks have been on and, when decided, the frigate order will be under the Make in India initiative.

The project brings together two of the government's key themes. Prime Minister Narendra Modi announced the Make in India initiative on August 15 last year as part of a manufacturing push to create jobs, raise incomes and help boost the economy. The government is also keen on greater private sector participation in defence, having eased overseas investment rules in this regard.


The new stealth frigates will be a vital addition to the navy's surface fleet that is fast being upgraded to meet security challenges in the region. India has already bought six Russian-built Talwar class frigates, the last of which was delivered in 2013.


A team led by Russian deputy industry and trade minister Alexei Rakhmanov has been evaluating Indian shipyards for the project over the past few months. Among the yards visited were Mazgaon Dockyard Ltd, Cochin Shipyard Ltd and the L&T unit, with the final selection being based on the availability of infrastructure and capacity. Pipavav, which is currently executing a naval offshore patrol vessel order, has India's largest shipbuilding facility.


When contacted, a Reliance Group spokesperson said, "We are fully committed to the Make in India vision of our Prime Minister. Our mission is to build higher capabilities at the world-class facility that we have, to be able to serve the complete requirement of the Indian Navy."

While Russia's United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC) did not respond to a detailed questionnaire, one of its top executives told ET earlier this month that it was open to working with a private shipyard on the order. "We are ready to transfer technology to ensure the construction of these ships in India. The new ships that will be built will be different and more modern from the Talwar class that have been delivered," Alexi Dikiy, director for military technical cooperation at USC, had told ET. ..
 

navyreco

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Indian Navy Announced its Readiness to Test Barak-8 Air & Missile Defense System
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The Indian Navy announced its readiness to test the Barak-8 air and missile defense system. The missiles will be fired from the Indian Navy newest destroyer INS Kolkata sometime this summer, during the monson season. The goal is to qualify the system ahead of its deployement accross several vessels in the Indian Navy fleet.
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plawolf

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it seems pretty good from what we see, but I think you might have misunderstood my biggest problem with the Insas replacement program.
First was there even a need to open a new program?
Yes INSAS is a disaster, it was antiquated before it was ever built, has fundamental issues with its operation and is of remarkable poor quality. I would place it on my list of the most flawed weapons to see service. But the Indian military already has a alternative system in issue that is lighter in weight, more compact, more reliable, accepts modern accessories and is built in India. The Tavor used by Indian elite units and licensed for Indian builds. So the Indian army could have replaced the Insas without the huge glut of a new program. The first step when filling a mission gap is or should be looking at what you and your sister services have in inventory to see if there is overlap.
But of course Tavor doesn't meet all the MCAR wants (but then again, the Excalibur option doesn't either). So assume that the caliber need is enough to justify the next step and a whole new universal weapon rather then just a filler for one nitch. Okay then what should have happened next?
The Indian government issued a request for information and submissions for MCAR. Venders both Indian and foreign would have looked there wears for something that meets the needs. And Colt, Beretta, CZ, and IWI found products that meet the needs or developed a product and made offerings.
But this is where things went wrong.
When you ask for submissions like this they are made in good faith that they will have a fare shake. That if indigenous offerings are developed they will be trialed vs the foreign ones, if all the needs are met with in the trials then the best performance and pricing options are to be looked at and chosen from.
Instead the Indian Army skipped this and jumped to the final step which is if your mission needs are not meet by the offerings then and only then do you clean slate a program.
This is my problem with the Indian army's rifle program.
1) there was already a option to fill the 5.56mm carbine
2) if there was justification for the need of having the 7.62x39mm requirement then they should have actually evaluated and trialed the offerings from abroad and not skipped right to a new development program.
If they wanted to develop a new rifle all along then they should have skipped the request for information.

Tavors are not cheap, even licence produced ones.

Buying a small number for special forces is one thing, making it your primary infantry combat rifle with potentially millions of units to be procured is a completely different ball game.
 

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Indian Navy Announced its Readiness to Test Barak-8 Air & Missile Defense System

The Indian Navy announced its readiness to test the Barak-8 air and missile defense system. The missiles will be fired from the Indian Navy newest destroyer INS Kolkata sometime this summer.
Finally...some more definitive news.

So, the date for the October 1st firing from the Kolkata is now moved up to this summer.
 

aksha

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Excellent,
hopefully the IAF with its falling squardon number will become desperate enough to order another 2 squardons of LCA's

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India is believed to have run into difficulties in its negotiations with France over the cost price of 36 Dassault Rafale fighter aircraft, which it agreed to procure after a bilateral summit in Paris on 10 April, industry sources said.

The sources said differences had emerged in recent weeks over India seeking to impose offsets of 50% on the estimated contract price of USD6-7 billion.

Indian defence minister Manohar Parrikar had said in several TV interviews in New Delhi in late May that the Rafale contract included a 50% mandatory offset obligation.

Industry sources told IHS Jane's that during negotiations, French officials had reportedly told their Indian counterparts that their "insistence" on offsets would render the Rafale deal more expensive than the price tentatively agreed upon in Paris in April.
 
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