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HMS Astute said:

India should ditch that problematic Rafail deal and go for the F-35 stealth aircraft with the world's most powerful 5th gen engine and more advanced avionics. Every potential enemy in the region would be agitated if IAF had a few squadrons of F-35.

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Jeff Head said:

Is France trying to submarine their own Rafael deal?

I can think of very few other actions the French could take that would harm their own offering more. Doubling the cost and then insisting that the Indians accept the version that will do so seems self-defeating to me.

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aksha said:

@FORBIN,
can you give us any info. from french news,if any
about the rafale deal.

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Russia and India have completed the schematic design of the export version of the promising fighter FGFA, the development of which is based on the Russian T-50 (PAK FA). About this in "General staff"

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said regional Director for international cooperation of the United aircraft Corporation Andrey Marcincin. According to him, "we already have the documentation and understanding of the scope of the next phase of design".

Other details regarding the export version of the FGFA representative of the KLA did not disclose. Meanwhile, Marchandin told that most likely the Indian version of the FGFA will double in contrast to single Russian T-50. This need is due to the fact that "in the difficult conditions of modern war, it is extremely difficult to simultaneously maneuver and shoot at the enemy".

The development of advanced fighter FGFA participates Russian Sukhoi and India's Hindustan Aeronautics Limited. The share of India in the project defined at the level of 40 percent. Double aircraft FGFA will be armed with the Indian guided missile Astra, as well as supersonic cruise missile BrahMos joint development.

The FGFA prototype developed on the basis of the T-50 (PAK FA) India expects to receive for testing by 2016. Serial production of the aircraft must begin in 2021. In total, the Indian military plans to adopt about 200 fighters of the fifth generation. Their purchase and maintenance is estimated at $ 35 billion.

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EJ200 engine which powers Eurofighter Typhoon fighter jets is still in pursuit to offer EJ-200 engines to Indian air force. After losing narrowingly to Ge’s F414 engines to power Tejas MK-2 aircrafts, EJ200 is ready with proposal to offer engines to India’s AMCA 5thGeneration fighter aircraft project which is still in drawing boards.

Under AMCA project, ADA and Hal will be built Two Technological Demonstrator s, which likely will be powered by imported engines and rumors of India using tried and tested GE engines for first two technologic demonstrators has led to active lobbying from Eurojet Company lately and Key officials already have briefed DRDO officials on their proposal . DRDO soon will be issuing RFP to engine manufactures to submit their proposals for contract for engines to power AMCA Aircrafts.

While IAF and DRDO are still debating which class of engine will be needed to power AMCA, but what is not debatable is that current General Electric F414-GE-INS6 engine with 98 kN of thrust which will power Tejas MK-2 will not be good enough for Production variant of AMCA which will require little higher thrust for Production variant.

Eurojets which is already working on new variant dubbed has EJ2x0 will have at least a 20% growth potential with a reheated output of around 103kN (or 23,100lbf). Eurojet also has second offer which will increase output by 30% above the baseline specification, such an upgrade will require more substantial plant wide changes including a new LP compressor and turbine and an improvement in the total pressure ratio and Indian order commitment for development to take place. These engines will have a reheated output of around 120kN (or 27,000lbf).

Euro jet also successfully demonstrated Thrust Vectoring Control technology when first 3D TVC equipped EJ200 underwent rig trials in July 1998. Ge too has conveyed to Indian officials that , they too are working on F414 Enhanced Performance Engine (EPE) which will generate up to 20% more thrust by increasing fan airflow with the EDE hardware configuration increasing it to 26,400 pounds (120 kN), coming close to Euro jet offer.

Idrw.org through sources can confirm that AMCA will have a requirement for a 110-115 Kn Thrust engines. While India’s Own Indigenous Engine Program “Kaveri“ will not be able to meet this requirements and plans to develop engine of similar class with foreign partner has a Joint development to power AMCA aircrafts too has not made any progress in recent years . Experts believe that even if we select a partner soon, Development, testing and certification will mean Technological Demonstrator s and Early Prototypes will still need imported engines to carry out flight trials.

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Original terms have to be met in Rafale jet deal: Parrikar
Jan 13, 2015, 05.44AM IST TNN

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France would have to adhere to the conditions specified in the original tender for the $20 billion MMRCA project, defence minister Manohar Parrrikar said on Monday.
NEW DELHI: India on Monday said France would have to adhere to the conditions specified in the original tender for the $20 billion MMRCA (medium multi-role combat aircraft) project, even as defence secretary R K Mathur left for Paris amid the deadlock over the mega deal for 126 Rafale fighters.

"The RFP (request for proposal) terms have to be met... they cannot be diluted," defence minister Manohar Parrikar told a television channel. Ruling out any comeback by the fighters which lost out in the MMRCA race, he added, "How can another plane be considered when the L-1 (lowest bidder, the Rafale) has been determined."

As reported by TOI earlier, finalization of the complex MMRCA project has been stuck for almost a year due to French aviation major Dassault's refusal to stand guarantee for the 108 Rafale fighters to be manufactured by Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) in India with transfer of technology after the first 18 jets are delivered off-the-shelf to IAF.

Apart from this refusal to take responsibility in terms of liquidity damages and production timelines for the jets to be made in India, the MoD is also upset with Dassault's attempts to "change the price line" that had led to Rafale's selection over the Eurofighter Typhoon as the L-1 three years ago.

Sources said Mathur, on a two-day visit to France, will discuss a wide range of issues, including the need for Dassault to stick to the terms and conditions laid down in the original MMRCA tender or RFP floated in August 2007.

India wants to take a final call on the MMRCA project before Prime Minister Narendra Modi visits France and Germany in April. If Dassault does not honour its commitments made in its bids submitted to the RFP, India may be left with no option but to scrap the entire MMRCA project despite having invested almost a decade in the selection process

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Brumby said:

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Indian Defence Secretary in France this week to expedite negotiations. The article quote one of the gridlock item as "HAL is insisting that Dassault guarantee the delivery schedule because hundreds of spares and subsystems will be supplied by the French."

We keep on seeing the same issue (for optics) but not the unreasonable underlying commercial risk that HAL expects Dassault to take on. A finalised product on time and on specs is not just dependent on supply chain but manufacturing assembly. This is subject to HAL's workplace practice, labour issues; employee performance and management competence in which Dassault has no responsibility and control over but yet is expected to take on board the full risk if HAL fails to deliver. Am I missing something or is HAL operating from an alternate universe?

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