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Anantha Krishnan M @writetake · 22 mins 22 minutes ago
#Tejas Trainer #PV6 during its first flight. @Oneindia report will go live soon.

Anantha Krishnan M @writetake · 4 hrs 4 hours ago
#BREAKINGNEWS #TejasTrainerPV6 Sources confirm to @Oneindia that the aircraft flew at 0.7 Mach speed. Catch more on @Oneindia later.
Anantha Krishnan M @writetake · 4 hrs 4 hours ago
#BREAKINGNEWS #TejasTrainerPV6 flew for approximate 30 minutes. Sources say PV6 is the final config of Tejas trainer protype. @Oneindia
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Great news for India, IMHO. A modern Seahawk is about the best medium sized ASW platform out there.

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Janse said:
]India's Ministry of Defence (MoD) has chosen Sikorsky's S-70B Seahawk over the NH Industries (NHI) NH90 helicopter to fulfill the Indian Navy's (IN's) long-pending Multi-Role Helicopter (MRH) programme.

The S-70B - seen here in Republic of Singapore Navy service - is the sole remaining bidder for the Indian Navy's MRH requirement.

Officials said the NH90 had been excluded from the bidding process because of its commercial links with Italian defence conglomerate Finmeccanica, which the MoD 'partially banned' from new tenders in July.

This followed the 1 January termination of the EUR750 million (USD764 million) contract for 12 AgustaWestland AW101 helicopters for the Indian Air Force (IAF) on alleged corruption charges that remain under investigation in India.
 

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Indian MoD opts for Seahawk in navy's MRH tender


Great news for India, IMHO. A modern Seahawk is about the best medium sized ASW platform out there.

I need a clarification for this one. I've read about the story elsewhere as well. There, and in this Jane's article, it merely sais the other bidders, AW101 and the NH90 were excluded ("partially banned"). The former for some kind of corruption, the letter for it's company having some kind of commercial link to that former's company (Finmeccia).

That as of now leaves the S-70B as the sole candidate. However, I've also read that India's defense procurement laws expressely forbid a buy if there's only one bidder. And that in several similar instances in the past, the outcome was no procurement at all.
 

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I need a clarification for this one. I've read about the story elsewhere as well. There, and in this Jane's article, it merely sais the other bidders, AW101 and the NH90 were excluded ("partially banned"). The former for some kind of corruption, the letter for it's company having some kind of commercial link to that former's company (Finmeccia).

That as of now leaves the S-70B as the sole candidate. However, I've also read that India's defense procurement laws expressely forbid a buy if there's only one bidder. And that in several similar instances in the past, the outcome was no procurement at all.

It could mean that the other bidders are still under review or being evaluated in some sense is my guest.:confused:
 

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That as of now leaves the S-70B as the sole candidate. However, I've also read that India's defense procurement laws expressely forbid a buy if there's only one bidder. And that in several similar instances in the past, the outcome was no procurement at all.

That didn't stop the Apache deal. Mi-28 lost out on technical grounds. So it ended up as a single vendor situation.

The other contenders bid for the deal, and NH90 was excluded because of the ban, else it had made it through the technical round.

The problem comes when nobody bids, or just one company bids. In both the cases, there were a lot of bidders.
 

aksha

Captain
Milestone - First Flight of LCA Tejas Trainer PV-6

The second Tejas Trainer PV-6(KH-T-2010) flew for the first time on 8th of Nov 2014 from HAL Airport in Bengaluru. It was piloted by Gp Capt Vivart Singh(Test Pilot) and Gp Capt Kabadwal (a Flight Test Enginer, in the rear cockpit). The flight is another step forward towards achieving the Final Operational Clearance (FOC).

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#TejasPV6 had new engine (GE-404 IN20), new com system, new radar, new EW sensors & new nav systems for automatic landing. #ALLNEW
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Bengaluru, November 8: The Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Tejas programme received a shot in the arm when PV6 (Prototype Vehicle 6), a final configuration two-seater trainer aircraft from the flight-line, successfully completed its maiden flight at the HAL Airport in Bengaluru on Saturday. The flight was piloted by Grp Capt Vivart Singh along with co-pilot Grp Capt Anoop Kabadwal, both Test Pilots from the National Flight Test Centre (NFTC) here. Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) Director P.S. Subramanyam told OneIndia that the flight lasted for around 35-minutes. "Yet another flight that stuck to the textbook plans. The pilots were able to do all the planned maneuvers with great ease. The new engine was tested to full power under all available conditions," Subramanyam said. The PV-6 climbed to a maximum altitude of 30,000 feet, touched 0.7 Mach (speed) and pitched up to 14 degrees angle of attack (AoA). This is the 15th Tejas variant to have flown as part of the programme, the earlier ones being TD1, TD2, PV1, PV2, PV3, PV5 (Trainer), LSP1, LSP2, LSP3, LSP4, LSP5,LSP7, LSP8 and SP1. A naval variant (NP-1) of LCA is also undergoing flight trials now. Final trainer prototype Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) Chairman R K Tyagi, who spoke to OneIndia from Delhi over the phone, said that with Saturday's successful flight of PV6, the series production activities will gain further momentum. "It's another achievement done by my team along with other stakeholders. Today, I am confident that every Tejas variant coming out of our hangars will act as our brand ambassador," Tyagi said. HAL said that all systems onboard PV6 responded as expected during the course of the flight. The PV6 is the second two-seater having the capability to deliver all air-to-air and air-to-ground weapons as mandated by the Indian Air Force (IAF) for the programme's much-awaited Final Operational Clearance. "We wanted to check the functioning of the twin cockpit and its features on board PV6, based on which the series production requirements of the two-seater trainer will be finalised. Further flights of PV6 will ensure that all the post-flight feedback from the pilots is incorporated," Tyagi added. 2700-plus flights sans any major incidents Since its maiden flight on January 4, 2001, various Tejas variants have together completed 2,772 flights as on date logging approximately 1800 hours. With no single mishaps till date, the HAL-ADA-IAF combine have given a new thrust to the programme, notwithstanding its delays. In addition to the new engine (GE-404 IN20), PV6 had on board a new communication system, radar, EW sensors and navigation systems for automatic landing. Operations from the front and rear cockpits are fully exchangeable.

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engine used by tejas GE 404 IN20
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The F404-GE-IN20 engine is an enhanced production
version of the F404, which is successfully powering
India’s Light Combat Aircraft MKI. The highest thrust
variant of the F404 family, the F404-GE-IN20
incorporates GE’s latest hot section materials and
technologies, as well as a FADEC for reliable power and
outstanding operational characteristics.
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the new prototype used the GE 404 IN20
 
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Jeff Head

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I need a clarification for this one.

I've also read that India's defense procurement laws expressely forbid a buy if there's only one bidder. And that in several similar instances in the past, the outcome was no procurement at all.
Well, there were three bidders.

Maybe the law is that way if only one company bids on it at all?

There were three and two were disqualified. They may view the disqualification for non-technical reasons to be equivalent to being disqualified for losing on technical grounds.

I do not know. But the fact is that there were three bidders.

Sooner or later, you narrow it down, for whatever reasons, to one.
 

aksha

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Well, there were three bidders.

Maybe the law is that way if only one company bids on it at all?

There were three and two were disqualified. They may view the disqualification for non-technical reasons to be equivalent to being disqualified for losing on technical grounds.

I do not know. But the fact is that there were three bidders.

Sooner or later, you narrow it down, for whatever reasons, to one.

a similar incident happened previously,i had posted that article previously.
one of te reasons that the kolkata class detroyers uses 76 mm gun Oto Melara SRGM instead of the 126mm gun is because of the 2 companies participating,being Oto Melara and BAE, BAE withdrew ,the indian govt. issued a new RFI because only one company was participating,i think they put the 75mm as a stop gap measure since they could not delay trials further .(there was an article about this,had posted it previously ,will post it again tommorow,am a bit out of time at present,have to dig for it you know
i hope they do not do the same mistake again.the navy needs these helicopters urgently.
the decision was already differed once,hope that does not happen again.(you know they have done more ridiculous things before)

i think that i will wait for the MOD to publicly release the news ,before saying that S70B has won the deal.(they may have delayed the public release because they may be getting a new defence minister,)
 

aksha

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a similar incident happened previously,i had posted that article previously.
one of te reasons that the kolkata class detroyers uses 76 mm gun Oto Melara SRGM instead of the 126mm gun is because of the 2 companies participating,being Oto Melara and BAE, BAE withdrew ,the indian govt. issued a new RFI because only one company was participating,i think they put the 75mm as a stop gap measure since they could not delay trials further .(there was an article about this,had posted it previously ,will post it again tommorow,am a bit out of time at present,have to dig for it you know
i hope they do not do the same mistake again.the navy needs these helicopters urgently.
the decision was already differed once,hope that does not happen again.(you know they have done more ridiculous things before)

i think that i will wait for the MOD to publicly release the news ,before saying that S70B has won the deal.(they may have delayed the public release because they may be getting a new defence minister,)

found the article
Navy's Guns Sink with Tender
The Navy’s plans to procure weapons for future warships are at risk of running aground. The force urgently needs 127mm guns, but its tender for 13 guns estimated at Rs 1,500 crore finds itself in rough waters. To start with, there were only two vendors for the guns globally. Now, while one has walked out of the tender, the other is facing uncertainty due to its parent company’s woes.

Sources said this could delay two key shipbuilding projects—the seven follow-on Shivalik-class frigates and six Delhi-class destroyers—that are in various stages of construction in domestic shipyards.

While the UK’s BAE Systems has refused to bid, Italian Oto Melara, whose parent company Finmeccanica is facing corruption probes back home, is keen on participating in the tender.

Finmeccanica is also the parent firm of helicopter manufacturer AgustaWestland, which is facing an Indian probe over allegations of bribes in a Rs 3,727-crore deal for supplying AW-101 VVIP transport choppers to the Indian Air Force.

This has presented the Navy with a fait accompli. Its tender is now on deathbed.

The BAE’s nonparticipation leaves only one vendor in the fray and that is a strict no-no under the present Defence Procurement Procedure (DPP). The DPP stipulates that there has to be a competition (at least two competing firms) before the contract is awarded to the lowest bidder.

The Navy is facing this situation also because the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) has not been able to design and develop a 127mm/5-inch gun indigenously.

“It is a pitiable state of affairs. We have not been able to develop an indigenous gun. Now, the search for a foreign gun too is virtually dead. In a single vendor situation, the tender is a nonstarter,” a Naval officer said.

While a representative of Oto Melara in India confirmed their participation in the tender, a BAE representative too confirmed their decision not to participate.

The Defence Ministry had issued the tender (Request for Proposals or RFP in defence parlance) to the two firms on November 12, 2013, and the companies were given time till March 2014 to respond.

Under the programme, India would buy two guns directly from the winner of the tender, while 11 more guns would be manufactured by Bharat Heavy Electricals Limited (BHEL) through transfer of technology from the global Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM) that wins the contract.

But within a fortnight, BAE Systems wrote back saying the company does not intend submitting a proposal. “After conducting a detailed assessment of the RFP, the company has concluded that key aspects present the bidder with a disproportionate level of risk,” BAE Systems said in a response.

By “disproportionate risk” BAE Systems meant that the Defence Ministry was placing the onus of performance of BHEL in executing the contract with quality guns and timely deliveries on the foreign OEM, which would have no control over the functioning of the PSU. Non-performance by the PSU would entail penalties being imposed on the OEM.

“This risk would involve costs and we are sure the Indian government understands this,” a BAE Systems representative said. BAE Systems noted that it has vast experience in producing the Mk45 127mm/5-inch 62-calibre Mod4 gun and in establishing in-country manufacturing programmes. It claimed the gun matched the Indian Navy’s needs. The gun, it said, is in service with the naval fleets of Australia, Denmark, Greece, Japan, Republic of Korea, New Zealand, Spain, Republic of China (Taiwan), Thailand and Turkey.

The Oto Melara representative, in response to queries, said the company would reply to the Defence Ministry’s RFP by March 2014.
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