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Deino said:

and even more so in the reply section from here on:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1924917601211478257

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"tell me... do v (we) look delusional???"

I dunno, but all those boastings from your Jai Hind ministers, generals and netizens certainly do, especially since May 7.

Besides, other than what @Deino has explained in the reply tweets, I should also mention that the Tejas Mk2 is pretty much going to be one of the most underpowered fighters of today.

The Tejas Mk2 is powered by only one F414 engine with ~98-100kN afterburner thrust, while being in the same MTOW category as the F-16s and J-10s, both of which are medium-weight fighters. Like, really?

ACuriousPLAFan said:

"tell me... do v (we) look delusional???"

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Other than what @Deino has explained in the reply tweets, I should also mention that the Tejas Mk2 is pretty much going to be one of the most underpowered fighters of today.

The Tejas Mk2 is powered by only one F414 engine with ~98-100kN afterburner thrust, while being in the same MTOW category as the F-16s and J-10s, both of which are medium-weight fighters. Like, really?

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Maybe it can be compensated by delta wing and canards? Provided Indians know how to do it. M2K too had underpowered engine.

LCR34 said:

Maybe it can be compensated by delta wing and canards? Provided Indians know how to do it. M2K too had underpowered engine.

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To be fair, I did mention "fighters of today".

The M2K was developed in the 1960s-1970s and entered service in the late-1970s, whereas the Tejas Mk2 is meant to enter service before the end of the 2020s. One is an almost 50-year-old design, the other is about to serve for the next 30-40 years.

Of course, available engine thrust isn't the only issue - Electrical power generation is another major point of contention, especially with how power-hungry all the avionics, flight control systems, radars & sensors, EW/ECM/ESM modules, weapon systems and cooling systems are onboard every fighter jets of today and into the future.

Needless to say, aircraft engine is a major factor in that calculation.

Kejora said:

India feels like what if Donald Trump is a country. No wonder he got many fans there.

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At least Trump does what he says. Even if it ends in disaster he does what he thinks is the right thing.

Even though he talks a lot, he actions quite a lot to. His action to talking ratio is kinda good when you look at the typical western politician.

ACuriousPLAFan said:

"tell me... do v (we) look delusional???"

I dunno, but all those boastings from your Jai Hind ministers, generals and netizens certainly do, especially since May 7.

Besides, other than what @Deino has explained in the reply tweets, I should also mention that the Tejas Mk2 is pretty much going to be one of the most underpowered fighters of today.

The Tejas Mk2 is powered by only one F414 engine with ~98-100kN afterburner thrust, while being in the same MTOW category as the F-16s and J-10s, both of which are medium-weight fighters. Like, really?

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You may treat it as Indian Gripen E (but 10 years later, before delays), with both trying to get into the juicy old Mirage 2000 niche.
I.e. not very impressive at MTOW, but at MTOW they're strike aircraft anyway.

Idea itself i'd say is solid, the problem is - as for the rest of tejaswaffe - how late it comes.

Indian armed force greatest problem is they often think too highly of themselves while underestimating their enemies. During Ladakh clash they send a contingent of soldiers across LAC to "teach the Chinese some lesson" and wounded several Chinese soldiers but when heavily armored Chinese reinforcement arrived they got surrounded and have to retreat back to their line while crossing the river in the dark which ended up with many of them drowned and captured. During latest clash with Pakistan they announced to Pakistan they're going to attack and warned them not to interfere but ended up with several of their planes shot down when Pakistan retaliated.

Gloire_bb said:

You may treat it as Indian Gripen E (but 10 years later, before delays), with both trying to get into the juicy old Mirage 2000 niche.
I.e. not very impressive at MTOW, but at MTOW they're strike aircraft anyway.

Idea itself i'd say is solid, the problem is - as for the rest of tejaswaffe - how late it comes.

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From what I read, the Tejas was the LCA (Light Combat Aircraft) with the acclaim that it is the "lightest" of its class. And that class is the light fighter.

So basically you have a 50-year-old design with the expressed goal and pride of place for this:

There is no way the MK2 of this lightweight can be anything more than at best maybe a less lighter lightweight.

Nevermore said:

After knowing that the F35 would be grounded by a button, India would never purchase it.

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When it's not grounded by a multitude of other flaws...

In fairness Tejas is more or less similar to JF-17. Both will be likely in service for a long time facing eachother. Now that the Tejas has problems, mostly the never ending delays and mostly self-inflicted, it is true, but i guess it makes sense from IAF point of view to keep investing in it just like PAF and CAC will likely do so for JF-17/FC-1. Tejas Mk2 variant might even put it a bit ahead of the JF-17, though it is a bit unclear atm if the PFX program would be a sort of JF-17 Mk2 to even things out.

Kejora said:

Indian armed force greatest problem is they often think too highly of themselves while underestimating their enemies. During Ladakh clash they send a contingent of soldiers across LAC to "teach the Chinese some lesson" and wounded several Chinese soldiers but when heavily armored Chinese reinforcement arrived they got surrounded and have to retreat back to their line while crossing the river in the dark which ended up with many of them drowned and captured. During latest clash with Pakistan they announced to Pakistan they're going to attack and warned them not to interfere but ended up with several of their planes shot down when Pakistan retaliated.

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It's basically big fish in a small pond or frog in the well problem. Since the establishment of India as a proper independent country, who could stand up to them in south asia? Everyone else is too small compared to India. There's a reason Nehru had no problem getting what he wanted until he had to deal with China. Then he got exposed hard and unfortunately that kinda sunk his legacy.

China has to deal with the west, Taiwan, Japan, Russia etc. 1962 which is considered a huge deal in India is not really much of a thing in China compared to bigger stuff like the Korean war or splitting up with the USSR. The best troops from China are all in the north part not where India is.