Indian Economics thread.

[steel21]

The west (read UK and US) just want to keep India as a non aligned vassal it can tap into again whenever it requires. A few squibbles of a pen and Indian leaders can be bought off. Their media will do as told. All the charges they lay onto Chinese media and yet CPC state run media hasn't lied about objective events once while India media's proven to have lied dozens of times on single topics. This is the primary reason Anglo US wants democracy for all. They control the wealth and they control the leaders. They control how information is spread and what is said. Which democratic leaders is supposed to be incorruptible. Modi was somewhat propped up as the Hindu strongman there to unite and do proud for India but the man himself is simply a let down. Too much talk, no substance.

For a under-educated, under-industrialized, multi-caste/race/ ethnic/religious behemoth like India, there is perhaps no other way than democracy.

The alternative is a draconian transitory dictatorship which can re-mold society and drag them kicking and screaming into modernity by stumping religion into the the ground. By transitory, I mean at least 50 years. Unfortunately, any strong man that comes into power will likely rely on the majority to stay in power and brutalize the minorities by making them all Hindus.

 

[ougoah]

Blast from the past: A debated topic broadcasted in Singapore as to which country (China vs India) is going to come out on top in 2030. It's interesting to see if the people who made the argument on India's side are now reexamining their views and thesis in light of the recent events.

Because after decades of "red scare", cold war, and another few decades now of China fearmongering and propaganda, it is almost a social crime to associate China with positive or doing well or better in. It's simply not allowed. Most of the conservatives simply dislike those not of their tribal colours lol. The PC neo liberal crowd suffer from some serious intellectual faults on one side and sinister false moralism personalities on the other. They will support and prop up who they consider the underdog and victimised or a group they consider to be aligned with their strategic desires. They loop from siding with radical terrorists and BLM crowds. Never once being objective and attempting to slowly learning and understanding complex topics with respect and fairness. It's all reactionary, provocative, and horribly stupid/evil all at the same time. They're going to hell but we shouldn't follow.

It's just easy for them to achieve those psychological warfare goals because Chinese people are numerous and there are plenty of shitty ones. There are plenty of government blunders and negative things to say about China. Their trick is just to scrutinise the smallest details and give it so much attention day in day out that the normal person can't help but feel disgusted and repelled every time the word "China" is mentioned. Only focus and talk about negative things and if there is a week there's aren't any, exaggerate and sensationalise non-issues. Or do reminder updates like remember when China did this or that??

In a perfectly objective universe, such a debate wouldn't exist. It would be like comparing a ten course degustation with a half eaten mcdonalds meal taken from the trash. But in Anglo US psy ops campaigns, promoting these ideas into the mainstream is part of the agenda. No unbiased, informed person would react to India vs China comparisons on economic prospects and technology/industry with anything but bewilderment.

In India the psychology of the Jai hind sri raaaaam crowds are different to those in the west. Rather than being SJWs or racists, the bhakts/RSS/ Jai Hind shri rrrrram are mostly motivated by anger that China is proving them to be worse failures if anything. How dare China shine if they don't. It isn't my fault it's the system! It's not because I didn't study, it's because the test is unfair and plus he cheated anyway!

 

[ougoah]

No amount of self delusion goes toward solving your problems. I know plenty of religions offer this as solution because it's an opiate. Life is shit for almost everyone and then we die. But rather than getting on with it and doing what we can to make it better like the East Asian cultural attitude, some others just like using their efforts to destroy the progress of others while calling themselves victims.

China has long ignored western psy ops and propaganda attacks. It has decided in the past to focus inward and just spent effort staying on course. Distractions are just that, there to impede. All this time India the country has been bragging, talking and wetdreaming, China's been sweating away and taking abuse after abuse.

 

[weig2000]

For a under-educated, under-industrialized, multi-caste/race/ ethnic/religious behemoth like India, there is perhaps no other way than democracy.

The alternative is a draconian transitory dictatorship which can re-mold society and drag them kicking and screaming into modernity by stumping religion into the the ground. By transitory, I mean at least 50 years. Unfortunately, any strong man that comes into power will likely rely on the majority to stay in power and brutalize the minorities by making them all Hindus.

This has been my opinion too for a long time. A lot of Chinese look at India's brand of democracy with horror and pity, but it's exactly democracy that has kept India together.

Simply, there is no historical or ethnic base to rule India effectively with authoritarian or dictatorial system, East Asia style. Jawaharlal Nehru was probably the closest thing that India had, both in terms of historical moment and personality. He fell short and India was not exactly ready.

India just has to muddle through, hoping miracle would happen, somehow, some day.

 

[sndef888]

India should just do the world a favour and balkanise. Would probably be better governed

 

[voyager1]

India should just do the world a favour and balkanise. Would probably be better governed

Maybe. From what little I know, South India is "good" (relatively), while North India are the US-Alabama conservative style people where everyone supports Modi and his super nationalism and hostility against Muslims

So at first glance, South and North India should be separated and then start working from there to find out the exact size, borders etc

Thats just fantasy theory-crafting though so move along. No way, India will be broken off (willingly)

 

[crash8pilot]

Maybe. From what little I know, South India is "good" (relatively), while North India are the US-Alabama conservative style people where everyone supports Modi and his super nationalism and hostility against Muslims

So at first glance, South and North India should be separated and then start working from there to find out the exact size, borders etc

Thats just fantasy theory-crafting though so move along. No way, India will be broken off (willingly)

I think its a little more complicated than that, to quote the great Lee Kuan Yew:

India is not a real country. Instead, it is 32 separate nations that happen to be arrayed along the British rail line.

And when asked if he could do to India what he did to Singapore

First, no single person can change India. You speak 320 different languages. Manmohan Singh [who was the Prime Minister then] can speak Hindi – I am not sure if he speaks Punjabi, I think he can, but at any one time you would only have only about 200 million people out of a total of 1.2 billion people understanding him, so that is a structural problem which cannot be overcome.

If you compare that with China where over 90 per cent speak one language, and when the President of China or a leader in China speaks, 90 per cent understand it. So, it's a much easier country to lead than India.

Secondly, as I have explained, India consists of many different dialects and nation-groups. There is no connection between the history and development of the Tamil language or the Telugu language and [say] Punjabi. So, India is a creation of the British Raj and the railway system it built, and therefore it has its limitations.

 

[spring2017]

Democracies overwhelmingly go with Option 1. There is no appetite to roll up the sleeves

It is not democracies vs dictatorship, but who's democracy and dictatorship. As Lenin pointed out, the masses need true democracy for the working people, not the fake democracy for the rich.

A capitalist dictatorship is even more devastating, look at Nazi Germany and Imperialist Japan. Therefore, democratic rights are absolutely important form the mass, as it is the only thing standing in font of Nazism.

The cause of China's success is not because it is a dictatorship, but because it is fundamentally "socialist". There are countless third world capitalist dictatorship that are doing horrible jobs to their people.

There can't be any true democracy for the working masses in a capitalist society, as the capitalists control everything, including education and media to keep the masses ignorant and misinformed.

 

[sndef888]

Maybe. From what little I know, South India is "good" (relatively), while North India are the US-Alabama conservative style people where everyone supports Modi and his super nationalism and hostility against Muslims

So at first glance, South and North India should be separated and then start working from there to find out the exact size, borders etc

Thats just fantasy theory-crafting though so move along. No way, India will be broken off (willingly)

Actually, the borders are already figured out. South India has one of the most cohesive borders in the world separated by language. Indira gandhi tried to push for hindi standardisation but was pushed back

All it takes is a push for centralisation by Modi and the southerners resisting

 

[Tyler]

India should just do the world a favour and balkanise. Would probably be better governed

Parts of India should be allowed to rejoin China for good.