Hong-Kong Protests

Nobonita Barua

Nobonita Barua

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Mr T said:
Indeed. The opinions of HK residents no longer matter. It doesn't matter if a candidate can somehow navigate the registration process without being labelled a "separatist" or "not respecting the Basic Law" and then get elected with 100% of the vote. The CCP can just say "don't like you" and immediately they will no longer be a lawmaker.
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Clever wording....for 1950 era. No co-incidence that CIA wannabe ramboos got caught in Venezuela,after graduating with their outdated syllabus. Did you graduate with same syllabus?

It's funny you mentioned "HK residents" & "The CCP" , but you avoided any mention of the word "Chinese people". Which is understandable given, in this particular case, democracy the number game won't work in favor of you.

Funny, isn't it?
 
Mr T

Mr T

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bajingan said:
That's the way it always should have been.
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Well the Sino-British Declaration and Basic Law said otherwise (until 2047, of course). You know, China respecting agreements, being a trustworthy country and all that?

Now it seems that China will just ignore any agreements it's made if it no longer sees them as being beneficial. Of course, other countries could learn from that. Perhaps countries might take out loans with China and just not pay them back on the basis that the repayment terms were unfair.
 
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tamsen_ikard

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Mr T said:
Indeed. The opinions of HK residents no longer matter. It doesn't matter if a candidate can somehow navigate the registration process without being labelled a "separatist" or "not respecting the Basic Law" and then get elected with 100% of the vote. The CCP can just say "don't like you" and immediately they will no longer be a lawmaker.

In some ways this is helpful. CCP apologists in Hong Kong can no longer pretend it's possible for critics of Beijing to participate in Hong Kong politics so long as they're "moderate". The mandate of HK legislators no longer comes from HK people but the CCP. The CCP can remove a legislator on a whim, and there's no judicial oversight. In that respect HK is now little different from mainland China, so people should stop pretending otherwise.
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Hong Kong residents miscalculated massively when they created chaos last year. They were given so many perks and leeways for the last 22 years. But they were not happy with being part of China. They were not happy being Chinese. So, the moment came, the first thing they did was to put black ink on Chinese national emblem. That was the dividing that showed to China how much of a traitor hong kong has become.

That is the bottom line, Traitors to China simply cannot live in Chinese land. They can either get out or they live in jail. That's the only option. Hong Kongers have shown they worship the west more than they accept their own Chinese identity. So, China has put a line in the sand for them. The more they show anti-China behavior the more they will lose their freedoms.

Filibuster on Legco? Boom no more filibuster or get disqualified?
Primary on Legco election? Boom, all primaries illegal.

Any action that is anti-China will be dealt with heavily from now on, that is what Beijing has decided. If Hong kongers do not stop, then their fate will be worse than uyghurs in Xinjiang. So, its time for Hong Kongers to start becoming humble again. Because no matter how much westerners talk nice about them, they will not accept 8 million of them to migrate. So, they need to accept being Chinese and accept that their governance structure is different from the west and it is okay to be not like the west.

Once this fundamental understanding develops, I think there will be plenty of vibrant opposition in Hong Kong. But that opposition cannot be an anti-China pro-western opposition. You can have a different type of political divide. You can have a camp that supports big government vs a camp that supports less government. You can have political division based on social and cultural divides like religious practices, gay marriage and so on.

The fact Hong Kong politics is defined entirely by being pro or anti-China shows this type politics needs to be destroyed. China is now moving forward on this. In the future Hong Kong will have a different type of politics based on govt policies, not who is traitor and who is not.
 
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Hadoren

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Mr T said:
Indeed. The opinions of HK residents no longer matter. It doesn't matter if a candidate can somehow navigate the registration process without being labelled a "separatist" or "not respecting the Basic Law" and then get elected with 100% of the vote. The CCP can just say "don't like you" and immediately they will no longer be a lawmaker.

In some ways this is helpful. CCP apologists in Hong Kong can no longer pretend it's possible for critics of Beijing to participate in Hong Kong politics so long as they're "moderate". The mandate of HK legislators no longer comes from HK people but the CCP. The CCP can remove a legislator on a whim, and there's no judicial oversight. In that respect HK is now little different from mainland China, so people should stop pretending otherwise.
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Victory feels sweet. :)
 
hashtagpls

hashtagpls

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tamsen_ikard said:
Hong Kong residents miscalculated massively when they created chaos last year. They were given so many perks and leeways for the last 22 years. But they were not happy with being part of China. They were not happy being Chinese. So, the moment came, the first thing they did was to put black ink on Chinese national emblem. That was the dividing that showed to China how much of a traitor hong kong has become.

That is the bottom line, Traitors to China simply cannot live in Chinese land. They can either get out or they live in jail. That's the only option. Hong Kongers have shown they worship the west more than they accept their own Chinese identity. So, China has put a line in the sand for them. The more they show anti-China behavior the more they will lose their freedoms.

Filibuster on Legco? Boom no more filibuster or get disqualified?
Primary on Legco election? Boom, all primaries illegal.

Any action that is anti-China will be dealt with heavily from now on, that is what Beijing has decided. If Hong kongers do not stop, then their fate will be worse than uyghurs in Xinjiang. So, its time for Hong Kongers to start becoming humble again. Because no matter how much westerners talk nice about them, they will not accept 8 million of them to migrate. So, they need to accept being Chinese and accept that their governance structure is different from the west and it is okay to be not like the west.

Once this fundamental understanding develops, I think there will be plenty of vibrant opposition in Hong Kong. But that opposition cannot be an anti-China pro-western opposition. You can have a different type of political divide. You can have a camp that supports big government vs a camp that supports less government. You can have political division based on social and cultural divides like religious practices, gay marriage and so on.

The fact Hong Kong politics is defined entirely by being pro or anti-China shows this type politics needs to be destroyed. China is now moving forward on this. In the future Hong Kong will have a different type of politics based on govt policies, not who is traitor and who is not.
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This sort of thing is sorely needed in taiwan and fast; seems like ever since the 90s and the Handover of HK as well as democratisation in taiwan, that the CIA has sought to turn Chinese against Chinese by brainwashing the kids with white worshipping propaganda which they tried to make full use of during the 2019 riots. Well now, they're gonna find the fruits of their labour will simply end in a labour camp and/or simply being 'disappeared' in Hong Kong harbour with more than a few concrete shoes to go around.
 
bajingan

bajingan

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Mr T said:
Well the Sino-British Declaration and Basic Law said otherwise (until 2047, of course). You know, China respecting agreements, being a trustworthy country and all that?

Now it seems that China will just ignore any agreements it's made if it no longer sees them as being beneficial. Of course, other countries could learn from that. Perhaps countries might take out loans with China and just not pay them back on the basis that the repayment terms were unfair.
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When your own territory has become a hotbed for separatists and a base for cia operatives bent on subjugating and destabilize central government then that agreement is null and void, national security comes first, the same excuse used by the us in tearing many agreements it signed
 
plawolf

plawolf

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hashtagpls said:
This sort of thing is sorely needed in taiwan and fast; seems like ever since the 90s and the Handover of HK as well as democratisation in taiwan, that the CIA has sought to turn Chinese against Chinese by brainwashing the kids with white worshipping propaganda which they tried to make full use of during the 2019 riots. Well now, they're gonna find the fruits of their labour will simply end in a labour camp and/or simply being 'disappeared' in Hong Kong harbour with more than a few concrete shoes to go around.
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That’s falling for US propaganda BS. Thus far precisely zero people have been sent to labour camps or ‘disappeared’ in this way for their part in the HK riots despite all the non-stop BS claims being made and gleefully repeated by the western MSM.

The PRC is not Israel, and have never in its history engaged in this sort of behaviour. That’s a big part in why all these traitors feel emboldened to act so publicly and blatantly, because despite all their BS lies in front of the western press, they themselves know full well China does not stoop so low.

If China actually started to ‘disappear’ the traitors like that, it would only need to do it a handful of times and 99.99% of the cockroaches would magically disappear themselves without needing to be ‘disappeared’ by Chinese agents.
 
hashtagpls

hashtagpls

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plawolf said:
That’s falling for US propaganda BS. Thus far precisely zero people have been sent to labour camps or ‘disappeared’ in this way for their part in the HK riots despite all the non-stop BS claims being made and gleefully repeated by the western MSM.

The PRC is not Israel, and have never in its history engaged in this sort of behaviour. That’s a big part in why all these traitors feel emboldened to act so publicly and blatantly, because despite all their BS lies in front of the western press, they themselves know full well China does not stoop so low.

If China actually started to ‘disappear’ the traitors like that, it would only need to do it a handful of times and 99.99% of the cockroaches would magically disappear themselves without needing to be ‘disappeared’ by Chinese agents.
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Perhaps, by way of suggestion, maybe the MSS should start doing so, since the only way to communicate with such obvious barbarians like Pompeo is with the same language only they will understand. Maybe Pompeo might think twice before opening his fat pie hole the next time a CIA station chief is mailed back to Langley in half a dozen pieces.
 
Mr T

Mr T

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bajingan said:
When your own territory has become a hotbed for separatists and a base for cia operatives bent on subjugating and destabilize central government then that agreement is null and void, national security comes first, the same excuse used by the us in tearing many agreements it signed
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But what happened to the National Security Law Beijing introduced - why can't that deal with any issues with HK legislators who break the law?

Does Beijing not trust the HK courts, not to mention its own courts (now anyone can be whisked over the border to mainland China without judicial oversight), to fairly decide any cases?

As far as I can see, the only reason Beijing needs to be able to summarily dismiss HK legislators is if it recognises they haven't broken the National Security Law and therefore are not a security issue, but still wants to get rid of them because it's frustrated HK people keep voting them in.
 
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