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Prioritize "religion", aka the ultimate form of brainwashing.

Btw is HK virus spread due to protests or travellers?

That's basically saying the US seeks to colonize others - take others' property and brainwash others. The unspoken part, observing what the US does besides from what it says, is that it would involve methods such as demonizing, destabilizing, waging war on, and occupying other countries.
 

plawolf

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My problem with religion is when people force it upon children with threat of hell or death. Which tends to be the case with prominent religions.

I am willing to allow freedom of all religions if there is a child abuse clause codified against religious coercion.

Only religion can make good people do bad things.

I don’t find Christianity particularly objectionable compared to other religions, I just find all religions equally objectionable.

I would go much further than your suggestion, which is very good but only is a first step.

I would class religion the same as alcohol and smoking - illegal for anyone under 18.

Once you are a fully legal adult, you can do what you want and believe what you want. But it should be your choice and not something forced upon you before you were old enough to choose for yourself.

I would also outright ban preaching of any form. Everyone is free to believe what they want and form their own opinions on what the religious texts says you should do in life, but there should not be anyone who gets to tell you what God means or wants unless they can scientifically prove they have a direct personal line to the big G.

Religion isn’t problematic by itself, what has always caused problems is when power hungry demagogues and madman gets to use religion as a weapon to force people to do things they would otherwise never think is right.

As the age old saying goes, with religion, the power is in the hands of the priests not the deities. As such I think banning religion is fundamentally the wrong approach, instead you should target the specific problem and deal with the priests instead.
 

Gatekeeper

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I don’t find Christianity particularly objectionable compared to other religions, I just find all religions equally objectionable.

I would go much further than your suggestion, which is very good but only is a first step.

I would class religion the same as alcohol and smoking - illegal for anyone under 18.

Once you are a fully legal adult, you can do what you want and believe what you want. But it should be your choice and not something forced upon you before you were old enough to choose for yourself.

I would also outright ban preaching of any form. Everyone is free to believe what they want and form their own opinions on what the religious texts says you should do in life, but there should not be anyone who gets to tell you what God means or wants unless they can scientifically prove they have a direct personal line to the big G.

Religion isn’t problematic by itself, what has always caused problems is when power hungry demagogues and madman gets to use religion as a weapon to force people to do things they would otherwise never think is right.

As the age old saying goes, with religion, the power is in the hands of the priests not the deities. As such I think banning religion is fundamentally the wrong approach, instead you should target the specific problem and deal with the priests instead.

You're right about religion in general. And about the power is with the priests. And we can debate about this for a long time.

However, this is the Hong Kong thread. And the reason I bought religion (and particularly Christianity) is that the school system in Hong Kong needs urgent reform.

The system allows these schools to exist on religious ground. ie: if you are Catholic, you go to Catholic school. It is a form of segregation. It is also a hotbed of radicalisation.

As you already mentioned how powerful priests can be, well they are with their congregation one day a week. And that is usually with the children's parents present.

Now, picture this, a teacher is with the children 5 days a week, and without parents present. And in addition, the parents think their children is in a safe environment because it is at a government approve establishment, and approved by the church leaders. What's not safe about It? So the parents are blissfully allowing their children's young minds to be moulded to the teachers vision of the world.

Hence we get the situation we found ourselves in in Hong Kong. Look at the chart I posted. The majority of the thugs that are caught (for everyone that's caught probably 10 escaped) comes from religious schools.

The longer these teachers are allowed to teach, the more the problems is going to be stored for later. The solution is there. In the UK I and my fellow lecturers are not allowed to radicalized the youngsters. We are not allowed to have any contact with students outside of college. So if it's possible in the UK, why can't this be possible in Hong Kong?
 
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MortyandRick

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Find me a person that says laser-pointers cannot be dangerous in any circumstances, and I will call them a fool. However, knives can do more than blind, they can kill. When was the last time you heard about someone being killed with a laser-pointer?

Also, it's important that this is in the context of people being prosecuted (or not) for being in possession of these legal items, not whether they should be made illegal for purchase. If it is right for a person to not be prosecuted on the basis of waiving a knife because they didn't use it but just waived it around, why is possession in a bad a worse offence?

I mean, if I lived in Hong Kong would it be ok for me to waive a knife around outside police headquarters? It would be my first offence as well.

I can tell you that industries laser pointers can cause a lot of damage. While a knife can kill, the person needs to be within a certain distance to do so and can be identified and stopped eventually. Lasers can be used over long distances and culprit many times cannot be identified. This allows one to use lasers to harm and get away with it to do it again.

Lasers can ask cause death indirectly, it can blind drives even even pilots. That’s why many uses are illegal. Don’t think they are so harmless.
 

Gatekeeper

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Anyone idiotic enough to think shining powerful lasers at people isn’t a crime is welcome to do that to any police officer of their choice and see how well their BS arguments hold out in court.

It is against the law to use one inappropriately in the UK. Anyone living in the UK should know that. But I guess that doesn't suit one's narratives. Lol
 

SampanViking

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Slightly off topic, but still relevant to this thread. Am I alone in thinking that there was something desperate about Pompeo's rant yesterday, as he called for an alliance of democracies to stand up to Chinese Tyranny?
Is not the US the leader of the free world and head already of an alliance of democracies?
It seems as though the rest of the world may no longer be automatically listening seriously and following the line that comes out of Washington.....
 

weig2000

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Slightly off topic, but still relevant to this thread. Am I alone in thinking that there was something desperate about Pompeo's rant yesterday, as he called for an alliance of democracies to stand up to Chinese Tyranny?
Is not the US the leader of the free world and head already of an alliance of democracies?
It seems as though the rest of the world may no longer be automatically listening seriously and following the line that comes out of Washington.....

Well, you have the five-eyes at the core, with uneven firmness, plus a smallish, ad-hoc coalition of willing depending on specific issues. That's your "international community," "the rest of the world," and likely the "alliance of democracies" in the future.
 

manqiangrexue

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Slightly off topic, but still relevant to this thread. Am I alone in thinking that there was something desperate about Pompeo's rant yesterday, as he called for an alliance of democracies to stand up to Chinese Tyranny?
Is not the US the leader of the free world and head already of an alliance of democracies?
It seems as though the rest of the world may no longer be automatically listening seriously and following the line that comes out of Washington.....
Not only that. The desperation pervades to a sense that the US is overwhelmed and is frantically calling for backup. If America felt like it had the cards to meaningfully and confidently battle against China, the tone would be one of which it arrogantly shows off to the world what it can do to countries that don't fall in line. "I alone have the power to defeat this mighty foe of democracy and thus, I alone am fit to rule as your leader," would be the message if America wasn't rolling on the ground trying to pick up its teeth from everything that's happened to it this year.
 

SPOOPYSKELETON

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Slightly off topic, but still relevant to this thread. Am I alone in thinking that there was something desperate about Pompeo's rant yesterday, as he called for an alliance of democracies to stand up to Chinese Tyranny?
Is not the US the leader of the free world and head already of an alliance of democracies?
It seems as though the rest of the world may no longer be automatically listening seriously and following the line that comes out of Washington.....

Yes, piggy is getting desperate, he can smell the slaughterhouse in the distance. Too bad Pompeo!
 
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