US police protecting your life and property...
Tho, on the other hand I can understand why they are doing this... to stop potential weapons (cars) from being used, from behind their lines.
Hong-Kong Protests
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US police protecting your life and property...
Tho, on the other hand I can understand why they are doing this... to stop potential weapons (cars) from being used, from behind their lines.
It’s impressive how the general protestors in HK can still ask for US support or at least support the position of asking for US support. BTW I am not talking about the leaders of the movement who obviously have an agenda.
Nah, Police is never wrong in their actions according to The Donald. Well at least when it comes to violence enacted on US Citizens, but if they are not violently putting down the protest then they are wrong.
Nah, Police is never wrong in their actions according to The Donald. Well at least when it comes to violence enacted on US Citizens, but if they are not violently putting down the protest then they are wrong.
plawolf
Lieutenant General
That’s like saying you need to shoot everyone in the city to make sure no one commits a murder.
All cops are now tooled up with rifles, on alert and almost certainly with revised rules of engagement that would make the military green with envy. Now anyone who remotely look like they might try to run over cops will be lit up like they were in Iraq. There is zero need for this.
It’s just collective punishment plain and simple. Possibly extending to entrapment, as people who had their tires slashed could not get home by curfew could now be arrested and charged, probably also roughed up for ‘resisting arrest’ for good measure.
What China could do is hire some of the US cops who are fired for police brutality and form a special riot squad to use American police tactics against rioters in HK since they worship America so much.
Let those wannabe white supremest traitorous rioters try to reconcile that in their racist little brains.
Well not quite... I can understand their possible reasoning, at least its my guess why they are doing it, but I don’t have agree with their actions.
A car could be a very dangerous weapon in these cases where the roads are open and the car can be used to ram the police lines or worst become moving bombs. I agree they have all the guns in the world and can blast the car into smithereens but it would take time and create a confusing situation with far more variables then necessary. Whereas they just have to cut some tyres now in a controlled situation, thus I don’t agree it’s necessary but I can still understand.
I think hiring Ex-US Cops as consultants is probably a good idea but maybe not the ones fired for police brutality, then the violent protestors can feel the their almighty America’s police tactics and watch the US flag wavers head explode from the ‘unable to compute’ errors.
plawolf
Lieutenant General
That’s just a complete logical fallacy. You do not pre-emptively cause property damage to huge numbers of innocent people just because something ‘might’ be used as a weapon. Most certainly not to something as common as private cars. There are literally hundreds of millions of cars in all the US cities with protests, unless you are suggesting police slash every one of their tires, they will never be completely safe from someone wanting to use a car to ram them. It’s just a completely ridiculous and blatantly ineffective solution to the claimed problem to such an extent that you really have to be going out of your way to do mental gymnastics to suggest that the reason the police have given are understandable. The far more plausible and pretty much self evident explanation based on actual evidence is that this is intimidation and retaliation plain and simple.
Talk of VBEDs are also pure nonsense based on precisely zero evidence.
Quite frankly, if US police are that precious about potential dangers of the job, police work really isn’t the right profession for them.
Police work is dangerous by definition, you sign on knowing that’s the deal. You do not try to totally eliminate all possible sources of danger associated with police work by making ridiculously punitive pre-emptive attacks on the property and/or persons of innocent citizens. That goes to the heart of the police brutality and excessive use of force issues in the US.
Man, like I said, an unnecessary action, I have not claimed it a justifiable or logical action. It was just my guess as the police are doing it as they move their lines forward, they wouldn’t be expecting a threat from behind and seems to making sure.
The intimidation and retaliation angle also doesn’t really make sense, like you said the cars can be just some ransom people’s. A more plausible angle would be they are trying to attribute it to protestors and justifying a more forceful approach saying ‘see, even peaceful protestors are not so peaceful’.
As for the whether they should be police if they fear danger, well normally you can’t assess the danger of a situation until you get there, unlike this situation where the danger can be assessed, pre-emptively defuse and reduce variables. The whole point of the protest was police brutality and excessive use of force right... well for a lot of places in the US escalation seems to be the way they are dealing with it, thus why wouldn’t they do something as stupid as this.
This article is a good example of what I’m talking about.
Just to further my point from a non-cultural perspective. If they were really “pro-democracy” and trying to protect the autonomy of Hong Kong, they would not resort to petty vandalism and assault. You would keep the protests peaceful and work to advance the system.
Hong Kong had all the money and educational advantages in the past, yet it is not a centre of technological development of China.
Usually a country with freedom of speech should have better developed cultural institutions, i.e. music and movies. Hong Kong had this in the early 90’s, but disappeared because they lost the economic advantage. Once HK lost this importance, the big stars shifted to Mandarin. If HK has maintained their advantage, they could have kept the superiority. Think of how well a movie like “Captain America” does in China, because America is still on top.
If the HK system had this magic fairy dust as is believed, then it would be both “Chinese Silicon Valley” and “Chinese Hollywood” along with being “Chinese Wall Street”. If it were all these things, then no one would question the wisdom of having “Two Systems”. What leg would the CCP have to criticize HK?
You might argue that it is the non-elected portion of the HK government that is responsible for this mess, but that doesn’t hold water. There is also a distinct lack of success in the private sector.
vesicles
Colonel
I still remember back in the late 1990's when FLG was at its height in China, my in-laws were loyal followers. They gave me some pamphlets of FLG. As soon as I saw the leader of FLG claimed to be the reincarnation of Buddha, I told my wife that this was a cult and her parents should stop following it.
You believe in Buddha to get out of the reincarnation cycle. Throughout the entire history of China, only a few wise monks have been called reincarnates of deities, but only after they have passed away for a long time. Others decided that these wise monks were reincarnates of Buddha. No true practitioners of buddhism in the entire history of China has claimed that he himself is a reincarnation of Buddha.
You do know Li Kai Sing's son used to have a big stake in Tencent, right? They got out after the founders refused to sell to VC or something
