Hong-Kong Protests

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supersnoop

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Gatekeeper said:
China should hang these traitors!

I'm lost for words. Can only apologies to the Chinese community that they are such embarrassment to us Hong Kongers

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This looks almost exactly like those Russian facebook troll accounts. Probably evidence of state actors. It's too coordinated, specific hashtags, QR code, multiple channels to disseminate (facebook, twitter, IG, TG). On point branding/logo consistency. It is a simple idea, but anyone who is familiar with business knows that it is not simple to execute such a polished campaign. Coming from a "decentralized protest movement" is a joke.
 

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SinoSoldier said:
I've noticed a pattern of thought among a select few members who seem to be constantly posting pro-regime opinions on this thread:
- Constantly posting cherry-picked videos of rioters engaging in delinquent behavior
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While a fair assessment to make. I think most people are doing so, because the media coverage in USA/CAN/AUS/UK is cherry picked to their own ends. As I mentioned the phrase "fighting for freedom" is basically used in every single article in outlets from these countries. "Erosion/Encroachment of/on rights" is another. Honestly, go and count it.

Furthermore, if you saw that video posted a while back of the rioters destroying the railing on the entrance to Admirality station, it is crazy. Are you from HK, or visited? Admirality is the busiest station in HK (I believe in the world even), where Island (Blue) Line transfers to Kowloon (Red) Line. It used to be the only harbour crossing tunnel (Now there is one at North Point, and they are building one to Sha Tin). Just imagine is people did this at an entrance to Times Square Station in NYC, or Union Station in Toronto.

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- Assuming that the "real" underlying impetus for these riots is an imagined hatred of mainlanders on behalf of HK folks
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This is a real thing. While it's not THE reason, saying there is no influence is like saying there are no White Supremacists who support Trump.


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Now, IT and social media companies are reporting that the CCP is recruiting online trolls and fake social media accounts en masse in order to sway public opinion on the HK protests.
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Have some of those trolls & paid propagandists made it here?
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I think many are sick of hearing this. It's a tired trope rolled out over and over again, like a Jennifer Aniston rom-com. While there are people here (and everywhere) who (in my opinion) wrongly equate CCP with China, it is impossible to argue that within a short period of time, they have made a remarkable improvement in the lives of people in the country. Even more so when you consider the oftentimes adversarial relationship with the USA. Contrast this to a much smaller country that has also made remarkable gains economically, South Korea, that enjoys the benefit of full American support and aid. I can go on, but I think it would be OT
 
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manqiangrexue said:
This bill basically is designed to economically sanction and deny entry into the US for Chinese officials who intervene in Hong Kong. I don't see a problem with that. An official in China making important decisions should not have assets in other countries that can be used to influence his decision. If he does, that's a huge conflict of interest and he either needs to be removed or it needs to be clear that those assets are of little importance to him compared to doing his job. To me, as a Chinese official, you can't have a problem with this bill. For a Chinese official to openly have a problem with this bill is like a US senator irately opposing a bill that increases the penalty for statutory rape... in Thailand LOL. You're outing yourself!
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While what you say is true about the reaction of potential targets to the threat of sanction that is actually impossible to verify either way by the public thereby setting the situation up for fake news to sow mistrust and conflict in the target country along the lines of your train of thought. The bill is also meant to set the US up for claiming credit even if undeserved if the situation is de-escalated.

The bill also creates both the appearance of interference and jurisdiction as well as potential actual interference and jurisdiction over the domestic affairs of another sovereign country, therefore such PR and lawfare aggression against another country's sovereignty requires a nuanced multifaceted response. Just as the aggression of military "freedom of navigation" incorporates insult and injury in one move requires a nuanced multifaceted response.
 
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supersnoop said:
This looks almost exactly like those Russian facebook troll accounts. Probably evidence of state actors. It's too coordinated, specific hashtags, QR code, multiple channels to disseminate (facebook, twitter, IG, TG). On point branding/logo consistency. It is a simple idea, but anyone who is familiar with business knows that it is not simple to execute such a polished campaign. Coming from a "decentralized protest movement" is a joke.
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Not sure what you're saying, are you saying these are not real? Its organised by agents outside HK?
 
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jimmyjames30x30 said:
1. Stop targeting HK government and public services. If serious damages to public services are inflicted, to the point of damaging regular HKers' daily life and work, they will lose support of the general populace. Instead, grow a pair and target PLA Hong Kong garrison installations.

2. Stop putting stupid banners asking US and UK to take-over, these are idiotic because even the most hawkish and delusional military planners in the US and UK will NOT entertain the idea of invading/retaking HK. Because it holds no militarily strategic value in itself. (Taking HK will drag them into a full nuclear war with China, which means that they might as well declare war with China. And if they decide to fight China, they would not waste their assets invading HK, since there are much much more militarily valuable locations they need to focus their forces on.) AND, it also does nothing but become perfect propaganda material for nationalistic propaganda in the Mainland. Instead of trashing downtown streets in the HK, and internalize that conflict. They should instead form a mass protest/march towards the HK/Shenzhen border. They should put-up banners like "Freeing all of China" and clash with PAP border troops. I bet the West would love to see this.

Of course, I don't think the protester are smart enough, nor have the correct strategic vision to implement these.
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In regards to point 1. I think part of the issue is that there is literally no martial tradition for these rioters to draw from.
99% have probably have never even seen a real gun, let alone know how to use one.
How many have military service?
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This article says a paltry 1600.
If you go into paramilitary service (Police), the current serving force is 32,000, but it would've been less before, plus many of the officers were Indian and White before the 70's.
On top of this, many of them are physically weak (like really, really skinny).

2. The US/UK will never do anything not just for those reasons you mentioned, but also because whatever role they have in these protests is likely to disrupt China to serve their own domestic needs (US: disrupt the flow of foreign investment into China to gain an advantage in the Trade War, UK: distract from domestic Brexit issue). The assets they would really lose are not military, but economic. UK would risk their biggest bank (HSBC), and other big UK companies (former opium trader Jardine Matheson, Swire group).

I am not sure whether it is a matter of intelligence or something else. Not to make these rioters sound like marionettes, but if the goal of the outside influence is merely to disrupt rather than overthrow, then you can explain why they are holding back. If the rioters were totally independent and committed to the cause of democracy, why is there no one saying things like "I love China, democracy is the way forward... I support 1 country, 2 systems, but adjustments should be made"? How much more support would they get?
 
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SinoSoldier said:
I've noticed a pattern of thought among a select few members who seem to be constantly posting pro-regime opinions on this thread:
- Constantly posting cherry-picked videos of rioters engaging in delinquent behavior
- Premising that most of HK's protesters operate in the same fashion as those rioters
- Claiming that HK protests were caused by "foreign powers"
- Assuming that HK police could do no wrong and that the CCP is always justified in whatever bill it passes
- Assuming that the "real" underlying impetus for these riots is an imagined hatred of mainlanders on behalf of HK folks
- Branding anyone who chooses other than to kiss Xi Jinping's feet as "traitors" or "criminals"

It is ironic that such folks, who claim to be advocates of law-&-order and peaceful demonstrations, suggest that a possible "solution" to the HK protest is to call in the PLA and indiscriminately massacre these people. Not unlike what the PLA actually did to students in 1989.

Now, don't get me wrong; destruction of property, physical violence, and impeding the daily lives of other Hongkongers should be punished accordingly. Those who use the protests as a pretext to engage in criminal behavior (something that is common to all major protests, not just this one) should be caught and punished. However, the above neither represents nor defines the motives behind the HK riots.

Now, IT and social media companies are reporting that the CCP is recruiting online trolls and fake social media accounts en masse in order to sway public opinion on the HK protests.
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Have some of those trolls & paid propagandists made it here?
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Reading your factually incorrect and demonizing post shows that at least one ill-wisher upon China and Hong Kong made it here. No idea if you're paid or unpaid for trying to misinform.
 
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