Hong-Kong Protests

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KYli

Brigadier
supersnoop said:
I find that the Western lawyers and judges exist either as staunchly pro-establishment or basically planted by Western intelligence services.

The pro-establishment are law purists. The media keeps saying China "violated" the Sino-British agreement, bla, bla, bla, but as we have pointed out in this thread many times, it is a lie. HK LegCo never passed it's own National Security Law on its own, it is in the Basic Law for them to do so. Since they refused to fulfill this part of the constitution, the central government took its own initiative within the same constitution to enact the law as they saw fit. As such, legally speaking, the national security law was not some kind of "communist plot to seize HK", those judges/lawyers know this. Furthermore, the legal procedural framework is still the same, so people are still getting their "due process", evidentiary disclosure, etc. These are not show-trials or anything like that.

On the other side, we know for a fact that NED monies and other shady sources of "crowdfunding" have been created and essentially funnel money into these "human rights law firms" to defend the criminals. When they fail, they proceed to leave and/or claim that "this is not the same Hong Kong" or similar popular chorus. They do this because it actually weakens the rule of law that they claim to uphold. They know that legally speaking, there is nothing particularly untoward with the NSL, so they have to create an imaginary crisis of confidence and hope for continued intervention by the central government so they can try to spark unrest, or as the article mentions, economic harm. If they were legit lawyers only involved in legal affairs, you can continue to engage in the legal fight because it is still an open avenue to do so. What is the risk of jail really? You say its a fight, but you are afraid of the consequences? Plus this is HK jail, the most humane of prisons in all of Asia, basically the only place where the criminals aren't seen as animals.
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Many lawyers were taken monies from the government for defending the protesters but at the same time taking monies from these funds. That's why so many high profiled lawyers were willing to take up these cases.

After NSL, the funds that support the protesters dried up. Initially, the HK government was useless as it was afraid to go after the sources of the funds. After enactment of NSL, the HK government finally started to shut down these crowfunding and arrest the figureheads of these funds.

I think you would see more of these lawyers leaving HK as the sources of money for litigation would slowly dry up. The only problem right now is the HK government is still being too lenient for approving free public defenders for protesters or oppositions.

I personally don't want to see more government money is used to derail government projects or legislation. Major projects such as Hong Kong–Zhuhai–Macau Bridge, Lantau land reclamation or the expansion of HK airport were all derailed by such government funded litigation that enriched these lawyers at the expenses of the government and costly delays.
 
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tygyg1111

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Crang said:
Hong Kongers reflect on Taiwan, an imperfect exile

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Get rekt hard
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These guys are just sad, imagine giving up everything just to hold on to a made up grudge.

Also:
“It’s not that Hong Kong doesn’t have any democracy, it doesn’t even have any freedom,” Lam said in a recent interview. “When the English were ruling Hong Kong, they didn’t give us true democracy or the power to vote, but the British gave Hong Kongers a very large space to be free.”
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Perhaps they can try standing in as prison labour in the land of the free?
 
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