Hong-Kong Protests
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Here's something that I don't think was considered in discussing the situation in HK. Apologies in advance if I'm repeating someone else's points - I haven't read the entire thread.
Humans tend to base their perception of their socioeconomic and sociocultural status on a relative comparison to people around them. That's because the fundamental behavioral mechanism is reproduction. Everything else about human behavior is derived from that mechanism and intended for better facilitation of reproduction. The best way in which it can be described is that humans are gonads with a brain for more effective use of gonads.
This means that we are more concerned with successful mating than successful living and that we will peceive everyone else as taking part in that reproductive competition rather than existing independently of it. That perception changes as individuals develop maturity, discipline and wisdom over sufficient time which is mostly achieved at older ages. It's natural progression from the child through the parent to the grandparent. Young people are not only overwhelmed by their reproductive instinct with the highest level of sexual hormones at a time when their brains have not matured yet ( because the crucial pre-frontal lobe develops until late 20s) but they are only entering that competition which is delayed in modern society.
I don't have to tell you how much harder it is to compete in a highly unequal society with restricted access to social advancement. It is even harder to compete in a society that is materialistic and consumptionist. Those challenges are very well known in Western societies and their effect can be measured in objective numbers. But in HongKong it will be even worse because for a very long time the self-image of HongKongers could rely on the notion that Mainlanders were "worse" due their material and cultural standing relative to HongKong. It was a variant of the kind of mentality that many people in India or in American South had. No matter how bad or poor the Hindu or white person the untouchables or blacks have it always worse. And even if they happen to be in a better material position they are "worse" for reproductive purposes in social terms.
This is what castes and social classes are in reality - politically managed tiers in reproductive contest. That contest is fitness-oriented which is why people will develop artificial barriers to fitter competitors from lower tiers to outcompete them for reproductive opportunity. This is cross-cultural and verifiable across history. In animals this is where speciation (inability to cross-breed) occurs.
So imagine that suddenly there's a shift in the relative "fitness" of Mainlanders due to the rise of China. Imagine that this shift occurs within one generation. This means that when within one family the parents could augment their relative lack of "fitness" by an attitude of superiority toward Mainlanders their children can't. The parents can be stuck in a bad place in life from the perspective of their children but they are not aware because they supplement it with their chauvinism, and they are not under pressure to perform in the reproductive contest. Their children on the other hand are stuck in an even worse place and they can't use chauvinism because at this point it's a delusion.
Add to that the cross-generational policy of predation that was implemented in the West that is boomers living beyond their means by borrowing from the future that is the lives of their children (inflation, debt, environmental exploitation).
Think about the standard problem of much of Western Europe - second-generation immigrants from MENA (Middle East North Africa) countries. Their parents are usually not a source of any problems. They see their lives as drastically improved compared to their previous conditions. It is their children and grand-children who compare themselves to their peers and have the same expectations as the Western Europeans yet are hampered not just by institutional or cultural barriers but primarily by the relative lack of fitness of their parents. The starting point in life - the family - is the biggest factor in determining your chances of success.
HongKongers 20-years ago were like the first-generation immigrants (although that would be even better comparison to the booming pre-1997 HongKong) but their children today are like the second-generation immigrants.
The rest is just psychology applied for social control and reflexive management. So far it seems the Anglos are doing a much better job than China.
After all the mass protests in Tunisia during the "Arab spring" started because of men being unable to meet the traditional materal requirements for marriage.
Just my three cents. If people more familiar with the situation in HK can comment I'd be very interested in what they think about this analysis.
The true measure and real value of a man is derived from the aesthetic quality of the women he beholds. Sexual reproduction through evolution by pressures of natural selection is the ultimate "end" to every other "means" for biological life, including that of human life. From the perspective of a man, the greatest success he could ever possibly achieve in his lifetime is the pursuit and attainment of incredibly beautiful women and the access and opportunity to mate and reproduce with them. Aesthetic feminine beauty conveys form as the essence of function; and in human terms personality being inextricably correlated with physical appearance, we do judge a book by both its content and its cover – as one cannot be separated from nor exists independently of the other. Thus a man should be judged predominantly by the beauty of the mother of his children because that is the only way he can elevate the genetic status of his offspring and win the sexual reproductive fitness lottery in the process of his pattern/code propagation. All other measures and yardsticks of value, worth, achievement and success in life are nothing more than mere higher-order artificial constructs abstracting away from the only thing that actually matters.
Indeed, in this regard it is not the aesthetic beauty of a man's woman that is the litmus test of his actual worth, but rather it is the other way around, as its really everything else in life that are the approximate abstractions and token derivatives of this aforementioned singular and direct value and measure, for everything else in his life, and everything else in society itself all builds upon this uniquely singular distinction of value.
Absolutely everything else that a man could ever conceivably achieve in his life all work towards maximizing his reproductive fitness by securing the most attractive woman that he can possibly obtain. Abstract concepts like 'net worth' did not exists before the invention of agriculture as our nomadic hunter and gatherer ancestors had no notion of the concept of accumulation of wealth. Nor does a surplus of knowledge retention and amassing of information serve him any other purpose beyond the initial advantages that applications of such intellect can achieve towards his pursuit of extremely attractive women.
Just my nickel
Hong Kong news just keeps on giving lately. Another used condom is getting locked up. This time is an American. mmmm. Allegedly working for the bank of America. Mmmmm what ever . Bro.
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HONG KONG: An American lawyer working in Hong Kong was convicted of assaulting a policeman on Tuesday (Jun 22) when he intervened in a confrontation between the officer and members of the public during political unrest two years ago.
Samuel Phillip Bickett, 37, a former compliance director at the Bank of America, was remanded into custody after a magistrate found him guilty of assaulting senior constable Yu Shu-sang on Dec 7, 2019, local media reported.
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US lawyer convicted of assaulting Hong Kong police officer
The confrontation at Tsim Sha Tsui subway station, part of which was recorded on video, occurred towards the end of the huge and often violent protests that rocked Hong Kong in 2019. (File photo: AFP/ANTHONY WALLACE)HONG KONG: An American lawyer working in Hong Kong was convicted of assaulting a policeman on Tuesday (Jun 22) when he intervened in a confrontation between the officer and members of the public during political unrest two years ago.
Samuel Phillip Bickett, 37, a former compliance director at the Bank of America, was remanded into custody after a magistrate found him guilty of assaulting senior constable Yu Shu-sang on Dec 7, 2019, local media reported.
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Good riddance.
Wonder what the Western democracies would do to newspapers who publish anti-semitic hate speech? Or those who would publish articles calling Muslim migrants and Blacks as 'locusts'? Would they be kept around in the name of 'freedom of speech'? No. They would be cancelled of course. You could even face jail time if you say anti-semitic things that are ugly enough. So what freedom of speech? It's double standards again.
Apple Daily is a newspaper that incites hate against the Chinese mainland to the point of the ugly things we witnessed in the HK riots. We literally saw anti-mainland Chinese pogroms being carried out at that time. To me, it's no different from Der Sturmer, a Nazi-era newspaper that incites hate on the Jews. This is not a 'Pro-Democracy' newspaper. Its a newspaper of fascism. Fascism has no place in Modern China. Please get rid of it!
Those who gathered to collect the last copies should go be observed. They are symphatizers. Potential threats in the future. The HK and Chinese govt needs to get a clearer picture of how big this population of anti-China people in HK really is.
Oh really? Apple Daily is 'pro-democracy'? Beijing stamping out dissent you say? Howabout the fact that Apple Daily have published utterly racist articles like this one:
Wonder what the Western democracies would do to newspapers who publish anti-semitic hate speech? Or those who would publish articles calling Muslim migrants and Blacks as 'locusts'? Would they be kept around in the name of 'freedom of speech'? No. They would be cancelled of course. You could even face jail time if you say anti-semitic things that are ugly enough. So what freedom of speech? It's double standards again.
Apple Daily is a newspaper that incites hate against the Chinese mainland to the point of the ugly things we witnessed in the HK riots. We literally saw anti-mainland Chinese pogroms being carried out at that time. To me, it's no different from Der Sturmer, a Nazi-era newspaper that incites hate on the Jews. This is not a 'Pro-Democracy' newspaper. Its a newspaper of fascism. Fascism has no place in Modern China. Please get rid of it!
After the Apple battle. It's not over yet. This is a reality check. An uphill battle that will take a long time. Look at this traitor. She works for the immigration department for heaven sake. She swore an oath to uphold Hong Kong law.
So it just goes to show it is the enemy within that's the problem. They will always be available to be used as a useful tool by outside forces.
So it just goes to show it is the enemy within that's the problem. They will always be available to be used as a useful tool by outside forces.
Wow. Thats a traitor out in the open. Shameless
HK got heavily infiltrated by these fifth columnists
More arrests, including writer for Apple. Yeung Ching Kee or “Li Ping” a pro western editorialist has been arrested by HK police under the new national security law. Although he himself is from Fujian province, Yeung is an avowed anti-China mouthpiece, having written numerous articles in Apple Daily appealing to the West to intervene in HK.
These people are cancer to China. They were born there, but have grown up to be vile traitors. It doesn't matter if they work for the govt or are from China in the past. To them, its not about keeping the CPC in check. These people are not there to give constructive criticism of China. Their actions speaks for themselves. They are working towards an agenda to bring China down and eventually break it apart.
Like real life cancer, you need to fix it quickly and decisively lest it grows, and metastasize. These people deserve to be rounded up and jailed. This HK national security law, as draconian as it sounds and is implemented, is necessary to keep China safe. Traitors within have always been a historical bane on China. Dynasties have fallen because of them. So they need to be shown no mercy.