Hong-Kong Protests


weig2000

Senior Member
It appears to me Beijing is now executing on a well-thought out plan to "recover" Hong Kong beyond the formality of sovereignty.

First it was National Security Law, to protect Hong Kong from violence and foreign subversion. Then came the political part, when NPC passed law to modify the election process to ensure the Chief Executive and the control of Legislative Council will not fall into the hands of forces hostile to PRC and Hong Kong.

Now Hong Kong Government is turning its sight on education, starting with school curriculum in National Education and History. In media, HK Government has also taken action on the government-own RTHK, which had been very anti-government before. Legal profession, which employed a lot of judges and lawyers from Five Eyes countries, is also under scrutiny.

There have been some discussions on Hong Kong's land and housing development reforms and policies. I also expect to see more in the direction of close integration with the Greater Bay Area, which has been hindered by forces within HK who do not want to see a close relationship with mainland for years.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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What do you mean what is my stance. People can have a nuanced understanding on many matters. Reality is hardly white and black

HK protests were obviously CIA led but they didn't happen in a vacuum, slowly tension was rising by the years as HK housing crisis was becoming worse. Every thing came to head on the protests, then CIA "captured" it and started the whole HK independence movement.

China fucked up by not implementing the national security law decades ago but at least they played their cards right on the protests situation. They waited for them to become a joke and then justifiably imposed the national security law.

Now, though, by reducing democracy in HK (yes, reducing, spare me the buzzwords. They reduced how many seats are directly elected by the people), the Gov must now prove that it can produce results for HK.

No1 priority is housing. If by 2-3 years HK hasn't moved to solve this issue, then expect protests to start again and become violent.

Basic human history proves that if you offer hope and fail to achieve anything then violence starts

If you have any more questions, please ask
Democracy is good of offering a fool's hope with nothing to actually show for it. Racism problem in the U.S. or how about blacks dying from Police custody or interactions? It took a super moron and racist cop in front of the Internet world to did what he did for some justice to be enacted against him along with his other fellow cops. But no one is admitting in that country that the problem itself is systemic and institutionalized because black people dying at the hands of the Police wasn't strictly limited or confined in what state, city, or town; not limited in terms of whichever political parties are in control in wherever area the incidents take place. But somehow the death of Mr.Floyd has been turned into some kind of martyrdom and how his death was portrayed as a necessary evil in order for some needed changed to occur --- at least that's how big mouth crusty Pelosi's yammering came off.
 

Gatekeeper

Colonel
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Just picking up where you left off - you've been missed on the forum mate

Thanks for your support. My jail term is over. So the less said the better. Suffice to say, I've to becareful or I'll find myself permanent jail term.

Coming back to Hong Kong. A lot of people just don't get how BIG a role the western intelligence services have played in the "uprising". And how much money have been pumped in to get the "troops" out. And how much propganda the western MSM have played in glorifying the "democracy struggle" and in telling the western masses how "popular" thus uprising is.

All of these is far from the reality. I just got the feeling that our young friend here might have been taken in by some of these western propaganda.
It appears to me Beijing is now executing on a well-thought out plan to "recover" Hong Kong beyond the formality of sovereignty.

First it was National Security Law, to protect Hong Kong from violence and foreign subversion. Then came the political part, when NPC passed law to modify the election process to ensure the Chief Executive and the control of Legislative Council will not fall into the hands of forces hostile to PRC and Hong Kong.

Now Hong Kong Government is turning its sight on education, starting with school curriculum in National Education and History. In media, HK Government has also taken action on the government-own RTHK, which had been very anti-government before. Legal profession, which employed a lot of judges and lawyers from Five Eyes countries, is also under scrutiny.

There have been some discussions on Hong Kong's land and housing development reforms and policies. I also expect to see more in the direction of close integration with the Greater Bay Area, which has been hindered by forces within HK who do not want to see a close relationship with mainland for years.

Which is as it ought to. Nothing in what China proposed and your list above isn't and hasn't been operated in the west for their populace.
 

voyager1

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Registered Member
No all good. It just the last few post of yours going back and forth with @crash8pilot seem weird. But now it's not so weird. I disagree with your analysis about protest and agree more with @crash8pilot . That's all.
Fair enough. I am also sometimes writing some stuff and then some more knowledgable member responds and depending on his arguments I change my mind.

I am trying to be as open minded as possible which is why I try to positevely respond to other member's posts. I appreciate the diversity om this forum, different countries, cultures, systems.

It is important to believe in what we think its right, but it also important to be able to change our opinions when logical counterarguments are presented.

Thanks for your support. My jail term is over. So the less said the better. Suffice to say, I've to becareful or I'll find myself permanent jail term.
My man we must all be careful at these difficult times, just the other day we almost got banned in the Breaking News World thread. I personally had 3 of my posts removed by the moderator. At that moment it was like I saw death itself pass in front of me hahaha
 

Bellum_Romanum

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Registered Member
Here is the power and humanity of democracy; this is the ugly truth that must be exposed for the cockroaches of Hong Kong to see. This plight is not exclusive to India or an Indian thing but is an occurring failures amongst all developing countries that happens to practice "Democracy." Check the Philippines, Ecuador, Guatemala, Honduras, and host of African countries that have been ran into the gutter by their western educated and elected so called leaders. Where are the so called enlightened choice for the people? And how are they supposed to elect or select the kind of leaders able to bring about the necessary change for their respective countries to see real meaningful change when the foundational change requires almost always require necessary sacrifices. Democracy is nothing more than a feel good slogan for these countries; all talk and no action.

 

Tyler

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Registered Member
What do you mean what is my stance. People can have a nuanced understanding on many matters. Reality is hardly white and black

HK protests were obviously CIA led but they didn't happen in a vacuum, slowly tension was rising by the years as HK housing crisis was becoming worse. Every thing came to head on the protests, then CIA "captured" it and started the whole HK independence movement.

China fucked up by not implementing the national security law decades ago but at least they played their cards right on the protests situation. They waited for them to become a joke and then justifiably imposed the national security law.

Now, though, by reducing democracy in HK (yes, reducing, spare me the buzzwords. They reduced how many seats are directly elected by the people), the Gov must now prove that it can produce results for HK.

No1 priority is housing. If by 2-3 years HK hasn't moved to solve this issue, then expect protests to start again and become violent.

Basic human history proves that if you offer hope and fail to achieve anything then violence starts

If you have any more questions, please ask
Housing is relatively easy to solve. Just reclaim more land from the sea, and build more and taller buildings. More HK people are moving to further their career in nearby Bay Area metropolitan region.

Hong Kong voters were supposed to get direct election of the HK chief executive back in the 2017 election reform. But somehow they messed up the situation. they should blame themselves for this. Now with all these separatists supported by foreign agents, the central government is playing carefully.
 

voyager1

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Housing is relatively easy to solve. Just reclaim more land from the sea, and build more and taller buildings. More HK people are moving to further their career in nearby Bay Area metropolitan region.

Hong Kong voters were supposed to get direct election of the HK chief executive back in the 2017 election reform. But somehow they messed up the situation. they should blame themselves for this. Now with all these separatists supported by foreign agents, the central government is playing carefully.
Housing is easy if the Gov is committed. But there are many many interests behind the scenes making this a difficult project to complete.

And yes, direct election was an once in a decades opporunity but HK messed up. Aint no seeing this offer coming back anytime soon.

Maybe in 10 years?
 

weig2000

Senior Member
Housing is relatively easy to solve. Just reclaim more land from the sea, and build more and taller buildings. More HK people are moving to further their career in nearby Bay Area metropolitan region.

Housing problem in HK is not that easy to solve. It's deeply entrenched with Hong Kong's economic system, taxation and government revenue. While millions of people suffers from the shortage of and astronomical price of the house, millions of others have a vested interest in maintaining the value of their most important asset. It's not a problem that can be solved easily or in short-term. It needs to be tackled systemically and over time, however.

In a way, mainland China is also afflicted with the same housing disease, particularly in first-tier cities and some other cities. In part, this is because mainland China largely learned their urban land and housing policies from Hong Kong. Granted, these policies had helped in the development of mainland economy, at least initially, but it has become to show its very negative side. As people can see, it's also quite difficult for the mainland government to course correct now, despite their repeated calls to do so. It's called path dependence.
 
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horse

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Thanks for your support. My jail term is over. So the less said the better. Suffice to say, I've to becareful or I'll find myself permanent jail term.

Coming back to Hong Kong. A lot of people just don't get how BIG a role the western intelligence services have played in the "uprising". And how much money have been pumped in to get the "troops" out. And how much propganda the western MSM have played in glorifying the "democracy struggle" and in telling the western masses how "popular" thus uprising is.

All of these is far from the reality. I just got the feeling that our young friend here might have been taken in by some of these western propaganda.


Which is as it ought to. Nothing in what China proposed and your list above isn't and hasn't been operated in the west for their populace.
Personally I do got a slightly different take, that the young people in Hong Kong, never really swallowed the American ideology hook line and sinker.

But realistically, I think we are splitting hairs.

The way I see it, it was more like what Comrade Lenin said about useful idiots.

The CCP had one goal, which was not allow Hong Kong to become a base for subversion. But that was exactly what the useful idiots wanted.

What happened next was the CCP acted, no subversion, and no one in the West really gave a damn, then that made the useful idiots become arrested idiots.

Read a story today about how Britain will sail their most powerful warship in history their aircraft carrier in a 6 month deployment to Asia, and they will have 6 jets operational on that carrier, 6 of them! Then the guy charge said in the British parliament that this is a mission of that they will be "confident but not confrontational."

Those useful idiots actually raised the Union Jack and the old colonial flag in their protests in the streets of Hong Kong. How could they have read the world so wrong?

The worst mistake Hong Kongers did was reject the mainland the way too many did. Seems to me, that allowed an island mentality to develop, that only what they thought mattered, and all outside thoughts do not matter.

Seemed to me that these people could not even transcendent the simple thought patterns of the vulgar, uncouth, yet adorable Cantonese peasant.

Hey! It takes one to know one! Dui.

Now they wonder why they in jail and no one helps them?

:oops: :D
 

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