Hong-Kong Protests

Gatekeeper

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A key point of the Basic Law was eventual universal suffrage.

Will you listen to yourself. Please tell us when did China ever said eventual universal suffrage? Even in the west, it took hundreds of years before it is universal. Stop twisting to suit what's in your head. You do know your mind twisting wouldn't work here, as the majority of us are highly educated. Right?

I would say people directly voting for candidates that were able to stand without the State blocking them because they had inconvenient political policies is the epitome of democracy.

Yeah, right. Just like the Catalonia got their epitome of democracy shoved up their backside. Or Chile and Ukraine. How about Vietnam. Shall I go on? Are you and your democracy brothers engineering another coup, because........ the epitome of democracy didn't produce the result you and your cohorts desire?

Cry louder. Hong Kong is Chinese, get over it.

Hyprocritic people like him will never get over it unless they get what they want...... It is after all.... the epitome of democracy! Lol. Notice he never ONCE condemned all the violence in Hong Kong! Not one post can you find it here.
 
Will you listen to yourself. Please tell us when did China ever said eventual universal suffrage? Even in the west, it took hundreds of years before it is universal. Stop twisting to suit what's in your head. You do know your mind twisting wouldn't work here, as the majority of us are highly educated. Right?



Yeah, right. Just like the Catalonia got their epitome of democracy shoved up their backside. Or Chile and Ukraine. How about Vietnam. Shall I go on? Are you and your democracy brothers engineering another coup, because........ the epitome of democracy didn't produce the result you and your cohorts desire?



Hyprocritic people like him will never get over it unless they get what they want...... It is after all.... the epitome of democracy! Lol. Notice he never ONCE condemned all the violence in Hong Kong! Not one post can you find it here.
They cringe and delude themselves on imaginary Chinese flaws. As China continue to rise, their influence decline and their bitterness grow, expect proportionally more Anglonese lies.
 
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Bellum_Romanum

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Who are you talking about specifically, and do you have any evidence they publicly supported "brutal" rules during the British rule of Hong Kong? Simply working for the HK government before 1997 wasn't endorsement of everything the government did.

Also, what's wrong with arguing for the law to actually be implemented? A key point of the Basic Law was eventual universal suffrage. Beijing's only proposal for that were elections where it would get to decide the candidates via its proxies in the functional constituencies. Now there's no chance of universal suffrage on the basis of the new rules the CCP is bringing in.
Coming from the person --- who believes that the Native Americans population decline was primarily due to diseases (weak immune system ) because they weren't American enough lol and not from actual genocidal policy of the colonialist Americans --- is a f..ng joke and frankly have no credibility to be discussing about the internal affairs in Hong Kong since the inner workings and gov't policies must be set forth by China and China alone. You don't like it, tough shit buddy. You can shove your pie in the sky democracy down your t..t and keep spouting that nonsense in whichever country you're from and there you ought to practice what you preach.

Dude, your comments come off condescending and empty on actual effectiveness of delivering real economic change and progress which are equal to real freedom as compared to fictionalized freedom of saying whatever sh..t one wants without achieving anything in reality.
 

Gatekeeper

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You don't like it, tough shit buddy. You can shove your pie in the sky democracy down your t..t and keep spouting that nonsense in whichever country you're from and there you ought to pract

He's from the U.K. and it's ironic that he keeps harping on about democracy, when the U.K. is the biggest undemocratic country in the world. Take the head of state. We, commoners have no say what so ever on who our head of state should be. Yet you don't hear a peep from him about that.

In fact, each and everyone of us living in the U.K. is subjected to this head of state's pleasure. Which is why we are not known as citizens. We are british SUBJECTS.

Dude, your comments come off condescending and empty on actual effectiveness of delivering real economic change and progress which are equal to real freedom as compared to fictionalized freedom of saying whatever sh..t one wants without achieving anything in reality

So you now met our infamous member, and like everyone here, you found him to be condescending. Welcome to our world. I'm just surprise you haven't found him to be hypocritical as well! Given time I supposed. Lol

Noticed he keeps harping on about Hong Kong's "lack of freedom" after the handover. But never mentioned Hong Kong real lack of freedom before the handover. Is that a sign of hypocrisy?
 
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manqiangrexue

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I would say people directly voting for candidates that were able to stand without the State blocking them because they had inconvenient political policies is the epitome of democracy.
I would say that equally valuing the votes of every citizen regardless of education level, intellect, achievement is a system that is dumbed down too much to be useful. In every large society, there will be more foolish, uneducated, emotional people than smart ones and by making these votes count the same, you predispose your government to being taken over by a lunatic who appeals to people on the lowest, most irrational levels, such as Trump. In addition, because of the digital age today, the voting system is largely unable to be supervised or directly electronic, opening up the possibility to enemy cyber-attack, determining your leader for you to their benefit. Lastly, because voters need to be briefed on a candidate's stand, he needs to make himself public, revealing his strategies and beliefs during his campaign, which causes him to more predictable to enemies. It may be democracy, but democracy is very flawed, often more so than rival political systems.
The idea that it's somehow preferable to have one political party make all the important decisions for a people, like who is allowed to stand for elections, is a joke and is usually only advanced by persons who are insecure and are incapable of having open debates with others, so feel the need to have rules that can stop them from losing.
The idea that a country should be torn between rival political factions that constantly attack and try to discredit each other is a joke, like the left side of your body fighting the right side. When there is a highly competent ruling party, the last thing you want to do is disturb them with internal challenges. There is a reason that you function best with one head, not 2 bickering between themselves trying to take over the body. Of course, if the politicians in this system are not competent, and the economy/technology is failing to keep up with the world, they need to be replaced. It's like Linux, where the system is the most efficient but only if employed by a competent user (and disastrous in the hands of an incompetent one) whereas democracy is like Windows as it is highly inefficient but it is easy to use and designed to prevent disaster but a drag in the hands of any real computer whiz. In China's system, debates are held among the intellectual elite so they can make the decision, quickly implement it, and keep it covert to enemies as long as possible. Having an open debate with the masses is ineffective, too slow, and often a complete waste of time; try it at a Trump rally. The rules are needed to keep the incompetent from meddling with the decisions of those who are more educated and with more privileged information than them. There's a reason that in a family with 3 kids, no one employs democracy. Ultimately, democracy is an act of irresponsibility to push the direction of the country onto the unknowing masses and it allows leaders to simply take no responsibility because they were voted to do what they say they would and any failings belong to the people and the antagonists from rival parties. It is only advanced by people who don't know what to do and fear responsibility for the result and would thus like to push it onto the collective.
 

Team Blue

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Calling it a single party is a bit over simplistic too. Factions with different priorities exist within the CCP, they propose and debate various ideas.

Personally I find China's government to be more authoritarian than I'd care for, but there's little room to criticize out of personal preference IMO, and it's entirely possible I'm overvaluing my own experience here in the states. I've also got to admit it becomes more appealing compared to our own politicians squabbling while people like my sister have to go without.
 

KYli

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If those blue bloods who were enablers and enforcers of the colonial brutal rules can be absolved of their crimes, then I have not much to say. Given you have already absolved the US from genocide of the native Americans. I guess it is expected.

The basic law never says when or how or defines universal suffrage but it does clearly state the HK government needs to pass the national security law article 23 as soon as possible. It doesn't matter now. As the oppositions overplayed their cards and lost everything. You can cry and moan and bitch all you want but there is nothing you can do.
 

voyager1

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If those blue bloods who were enablers and enforcers of the colonial brutal rules can be absolved of their crimes, then I have not much to say. Given you have already absolved the US from genocide of the native Americans. I guess it is expected.

The basic law never says when or how or defines universal suffrage but it does clearly state the HK government needs to pass the national security law article 23 as soon as possible. It doesn't matter now. As the oppositions overplayed their cards and lost everything. You can cry and moan and bitch all you want but there is nothing you can do.
China should have imposed the national security law the next day after the British left from Hong Kong.

Instead they played around and allowed this issue to grow to a cancer. Fortunately Xi just performed a rather successful removal surgery and the patient is now healthy.

The HK gov however is now gully responsible for whatever happens. If living standards continue to decline then they should all take the boot and send some of the to prison for corruption in order to teach them a lesson

Now that HK "lost" some freedom with the election seats changed, it is now the Gov responsibility to prove that they can actually produce good results for the people
 

crash8pilot

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Now that HK "lost" some freedom with the election seats changed, it is now the Gov responsibility to prove that they can actually produce good results for the people
Freedom gets you this:
90


As someone who was born and raised in Hong Kong, I'd take this all day every day.... a government that maintains rule of law while creating prosperity to the masses:
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mai
 

voyager1

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Freedom gets you this:
90


As someone who was born and raised in Hong Kong, I'd take this all day every day.... a government that maintains rule of law while creating prosperity to the masses:
1508332509494.jpg

mai
Yes, but basic human nature means that after you lose something you want to win in some other area. I dont think that lack of protests will sustain the HK gov for more than 2-3 years.

If after that time HK is still facing same issues and it is not actively working to solve them then I am expecting even bigger and more violent protests.

Basic stuff. If you get stuff from people and then people dont see anything good for them as a reward, people will get angry and then start violent protests
 
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