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Hong-Kong Protests
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Yeap, they are still trying to pass themselves as the good guys in the situation right now. Nothing much to see but I wonder whether she will be saying the same crap when the rest of this year has past. Given that last year was bad, I honestly wonder how bad are things going to get in the near future since absolutely none of the problems are being addressed and there is almost zero reflection on what they could do better
How can you ever reason or debate a group that will always point out their view is superior and will always be superior? The whole thing is part of western racism/imperialism.
Just point out the obvious.
Regarding how the storming of the Hong Kong LEGCO and the storming of the US Senate building are the same, in both cases the people believed they were just, and had good cause to do so.
This is undeniable, regardless of whether an outside observer agrees or disagrees with protestors' motivations. Who disputes this is just being intellectually dishonest.
Then point out such arrogance will never be accepted.
All minorities will clap when they hear that.
How to attack human rights, the western version.
This is what I read a long long time ago.
Human rights as propagated by the western mouthpieces of the world, has their origins in political writings from the Enlightenment, but to simplify things, the CCP acknowledge that western human rights basically were implemented into societal consciousnesses, via two documents.
1. Is the French declared some universal rights, a byproduct of the French Revolution.
2. The Americans with the bill of rights, is the other document.
Maybe times have changed, and there are other source materials, but that does not matter too much, as these two declaration of rights is the most widely known.
All these two documents are, is they are just a list of prejudices.
Other people may favour some other formulations.
The western version of human rights became more normalized because they had bigger guns. We do not live in that world anymore.
The pandemic is a good illustration.
The CCP prioritized right to healthy living and societal obedience above all else for Chinese citizens. In the west, some countries stuck to the individual rights mantra, and never formulated a plan for the pandemic after that.
(That is kind of interesting, because according to Hobbes and Locke "state of nature", that seems like life with pandemic. So what are rights and obligations for individuals and society in the current day? Sets of prejudices can always change.)
So where does the questions of innate rights start and stop for individuals and societies?
Depends on what prejudices you have and everyone agrees to in your jurisdiction.
This is what I read a long long time ago.
Human rights as propagated by the western mouthpieces of the world, has their origins in political writings from the Enlightenment, but to simplify things, the CCP acknowledge that western human rights basically were implemented into societal consciousnesses, via two documents.
1. Is the French declared some universal rights, a byproduct of the French Revolution.
2. The Americans with the bill of rights, is the other document.
Maybe times have changed, and there are other source materials, but that does not matter too much, as these two declaration of rights is the most widely known.
All these two documents are, is they are just a list of prejudices.
Other people may favour some other formulations.
The western version of human rights became more normalized because they had bigger guns. We do not live in that world anymore.
The pandemic is a good illustration.
The CCP prioritized right to healthy living and societal obedience above all else for Chinese citizens. In the west, some countries stuck to the individual rights mantra, and never formulated a plan for the pandemic after that.
(That is kind of interesting, because according to Hobbes and Locke "state of nature", that seems like life with pandemic. So what are rights and obligations for individuals and society in the current day? Sets of prejudices can always change.)
So where does the questions of innate rights start and stop for individuals and societies?
Depends on what prejudices you have and everyone agrees to in your jurisdiction.
Just to add/some minor corrections...How to attack human rights, the western version.
This is what I read a long long time ago.
Human rights as propagated by the western mouthpieces of the world, has their origins in political writings from the Enlightenment, but to simplify things, the CCP acknowledge that western human rights basically were implemented into societal consciousnesses, via two documents.
1. Is the French declared some universal rights, a byproduct of the French Revolution.
2. The Americans with the bill of rights, is the other document.
Maybe times have changed, and there are other source materials, but that does not matter too much, as these two declaration of rights is the most widely known.
All these two documents are, is they are just a list of prejudices.
Other people may favour some other formulations.
The western version of human rights became more normalized because they had bigger guns. We do not live in that world anymore.
The pandemic is a good illustration.
The CCP prioritized right to healthy living and societal obedience above all else for Chinese citizens. In the west, some countries stuck to the individual rights mantra, and never formulated a plan for the pandemic after that.
(That is kind of interesting, because according to Hobbes and Locke "state of nature", that seems like life with pandemic. So what are rights and obligations for individuals and society in the current day? Sets of prejudices can always change.)
So where does the questions of innate rights start and stop for individuals and societies?
Depends on what prejudices you have and everyone agrees to in your jurisdiction.
1. It is "Rights of Man an the Citizen"
2. Actually the Declaration of Independence was the "Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness", a variation on John Locke.
Also, the French Revolution followed the American one for whatever that's worth.
No matter how times change, this is history, it can't change. These two are the most generally accepted as the most influential pieces of "Rights" documents in western democracies.
Let's skip over all the unfortunate things that happened along the way, otherwise this would go on forever (American Slavery, Reign of Terror, Paris Commune, etc.)
I think the next major document, and probably most applicable to the modern era would be the UN Declaration of Universal Human Rights.
For whatever its worth to people, one of the primary sticking points between the Soviet Union and Western countries over this document was the concept of basic economic/societal rights vs. political rights.
As you mentioned CCP emphasizes the former, a product of the socialist ideology it is founded on.
Western conception of rights is more normalized, not only because of military power, but also economic power. Since the biggest media is all English Language/American-origin, it will naturally reflect American/Western values and culture.
As mentioned, it is preconceptions that make what is happening in HK "wrong". Most western media is unwilling to accept any alternative narrative.
RT with a report to troll the US: 'Banana republic comes to US. LOL!
After so many years of cheering the storming of parliaments, and govt buildings in other countries. Whether in Hong Kong, in some poor Eastern European country, or some Latin American Banana Republic. Turns out these kinds of things can happen in America too! I just never expected the US to pay so soon for the 2019 HK riots. Starting with 2020 BLM protests, all the way to this 2021 storming of the Capitol.
You gotta give it to Trump. No adversary could have ever brought the reality of 'Banana Republic' to America like Donald Trump can in just one term. LOL!
It is great. After being used by the west as the new 'president'. And the narratives like Trump having his election stolen blah blah blah.
He's no longer useful and like a used condoms.. ..... get discarded quietly.
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I think a picture is worth a thousand words. Sorry for reposting this from the world news thread. But it's appropriate here.
No wonder the HKG protest failed, this guy had no backbone to stand on...LOL
Come on guys, cut him some slack. You all know why he walks with that posture, he's had a few too many shower encounters! Lol