I'm puzzled, he must have realized it was only a matter of time before he got charged after the passing of the HK security bill. So why didn't he make use of his UK citizenship and move there like many of his well connected ilk?
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Im sure he will come to some epiphany if he is ever water boarded.
plawolf
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You don’t think HK police and/or Chinese security would be keeping an eye on him at all times? High profile figures like him cannot get out without state level support.
He would have been desperate to run, but I guess his masters in the CIA thought it would be more beneficial to leave him flapping in the wind to serve as a martyr for the cause.
And/or they deemed it too dangerous to try, as their involvement in the HK riots would be proven beyond even the ability of the western MSM to spin if CIA operatives were caught/killed trying to get Jimmy out of HK.
There is a high probability that the original granting of bail was just to bait such a trap. Whereby a very brief window of opportunity was left open for foreign agents to try to extract him before the court of appeal sent him back behind bars. That meant any attempt to exfil him would have had very little planning and mission time, with Chinese security forces likely on high alert in case the CIA was foolish enough to try. Now that it’s clear the CIA wasn’t going to take the bait, Jimmy is being sent back behind bars. Which is also a big win for China as it shows all the other traitors just how much their foreign paymasters cares about them, and also fundamentally undermined one of the core lies told to get them onboard in the first place - that if shit hits the fan, the mighty CIA will whisky them off to freedom and safety in Hollywood style. Now they have to think, if the CIA wouldn’t do it for Jimmy, the king traitor, what are the odds they would come and save little old me?
That and Jimmy’s blatant meddling in the US elections probably pissed off some important people in the US, with others looking to January and not wanting to explain to Biden why they spent and risked so much to get a person high on the president elect’s shit list out of China and creating a diplomatic storm for the incoming administration even before it can enter offer.
I'm not sure how this national security law works for "foreigners". Now Jimmy Lai, though born Chinese, is in fact a foreigner. (I thought it's Canadian, but others say it's U.K.). Either way, if he is a foreign national, could he be try for spying? Or other laws that relates to foreigners. Unfortunately, that means we can't try him for treason.
Anyway, if he is legally a foreigner. Then shouldn't his nation's government be protesting? Like they go every time when one of their spies get caught and locked up? (Like Canadian did with regards to Meng). Or Brits did to the British Iranian women over in Iran?
There silence is telling. This Jimmy Lai is expendable after all.
plawolf
Lieutenant General
National security law most certainly apply to foreigners, since its chiefly foreigners who are most active in endangering Chinese national security. Chinese nationals working for hostile foreign powers are just expendable useful idiots who will also get caught by the law, but the chief targets are the foreign agents who are the real ringleaders and masterminds.
It would make no sense for national security laws to have no powers against foreign nationals operating on Chinese soil. Indeed, that was why the likes of America were protesting the law, they couldn’t give two shits about the local useful idiots, as evidenced by they booting said idiots out when they went to the American embassy to beg for their masters to save them. But as soon as the new law came into effect and their own people’s arses were on the line, all the riots magically stopped.
On the specific case of Jimmy, well I think China has a clause established especially for traitors like him. Just because you got a foreign passport does not shield you from being treated like any other Chinese National. If ever there is a case where that should apply, Jimmy’s is the one.
That means that he can and should he tried as the traitor that he is.
There's also probability that he still has some unfinished business as part of the bigger plan designed by his master to carry on. I suspect he will rearrange, regroup, plan for another riot which could be even more bigger. Therefore he doesn't seem to regret or sorry for all the victims of his actions.
Yes that possible. But recalling from the time during the HK riot, there were so many kind of people from different professions. There were teachers, students, lawyers, judges, those so-called politicians in the legco, stewardess, nurses etc took part in the riot. So i tend to suspect those incompetent judges are part of the riot plan.
One case not so long ago was Ted Hui's case. That incompetent judge who decided to grant him bail should be put into investigation. It's not so hard to see how the judgement is real lousy one. The judge reasoned that TedHui was invited by Denmark's politician in his capacity as legco member, but when the bail was granted, Ted Hui already resigned as member of legco. So, in what capacity he accepted the invitation? It's not so hard to see he was using that invitation as reason to jump bail and runaway. That is what really happened after the bail. That judge must be investigated and release from his duty if found guilty and unable to carry on his duty as judge before he made another lousy judgement.
Rule of law couldn't be established if one component of judicial system is corrupt/incompetent.
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I suspect he still has some dirty plan to carry on. See what he has done in a week or so after the bail granted. He resign from his position in his company, and invited so many of people to his house. No one knows what were they discussing.
Jimmy Lai is the defacto leader of the oppositions or you can say he is the money man. The fact that Mark Simon fled before the arrest showed that they do have plans to flee. However, Jimmy Lai might have been asked to stay. At that time, they might have thought that they could smuggle him out if the need arrived.
Another show of cheap argumentation from a lawyer. This one is vice chairwoman of the Hong Kong Bar Association, Anita Yip Hau-ki, who said she couldn't understand the decision of the 3 judges who revoked the bail.
Of course as lawyer she has all the rights to argue and find holes of laws in order to defend her client, but cheap arguments like she made, is just so cheap.
"Speaking on a RTHK radio program, Yip said she could not understand why the three-judge panel had decided Lai should be remanded until the hearing, and whether it challenges the High Court judge's decision on granting the bail."
That, after the clearly stated decision by the 3 judges. Every common people could easily understand the judgement. But she as lawyer could understand. LOL.Of course as lawyer she has all the rights to argue and find holes of laws in order to defend her client, but cheap arguments like she made, is just so cheap.
IMO, it maybe worthy of consideration if the whole judicial system's members free from anyone who is holding dual citizenships.