Anson chan. I think. Lol
Hong-Kong Protests
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Anson chan. I think. Lol
Oh boy, Aung San Suu Kyi. She was nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize for being a Goddess of Democracy, wasn't she? Now she's viewed by Western countries as an authoritarian threat.
HI Crang,
Regarding Suu Kyi At least she is a nationalist and her father taught her well.
Do you know where they get that idea, From my country the Philippines, remember CORAZON AQUINO, the deify hero of EDSA revolution. They succeeded in glorifying her and look what happen to my country. We're back to 19th century with feudal and oligarch politics. And she and her supporters had the gall to remind us their sacrifice for bringing back democracy, Yeah!!! for them to enjoy and exploit the riches of the land while the rest of us suffered in poverty.
It is natural for there to be people to want to hold on to greater autonomy and ability for freedom of expression. And so those kinds of people try to resists moves that increases government control. Is not only like that in China (liu Xiaobo for example, along with Hong Kong democracy advocates) but so in other countries typical found in the right/conservative wing of the spectrum. If more freedom of expression was allowed in the PRC, even if still keeping single party rule, I'd imagine different factions within tbe party could evolve and part of the faction line drawing could be along the lines of government control. And so even if Hong Kong's 1 country 2 system was to end, if thete was such room for factions to evolve, people like Liu Xiaobo or Agnes Chow would be in a less government control faction. I think that is a natural desire to exist in many people. But China probably has strong deskre for tight control because of bad memory of different party factions and civil war but also from yhe lasting legacy of tight control with the establishment of the CCP and Mao.
the freedom of expression to try to overthrow the government, declare independenc and promote sedition in a huge group of screaming destructive mob is normally not allowed in any country
it is really odd that the west supported these protester thinking they were pro-democracy but in reality they were more like the NAZI who had a superiority complex over the Chinese and wanted a cleansing in hk society. It seems like as long as you "promote" democracy, you can go around the world and freely kill as many people as you want while selling yourself to be the "good guy". For example, france can surpress the muslims in france and wage war all over the middle east randomly, because france is a "democracy" China can't fight muslim extremism/terrorism in China because China is not a democracy.
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It mostly wasn't about trying to overthrow the government with violance. There were still elections in HK for the legislature. But when it appears that mainland central government is passing regulations that reduce any possible legal path for influence politics, then some people react violently to the forcing of tightening control. Such as one thing offered was that governor could be elected but candidates have to be approved by the mainland central government before being elgible for running. Things like trigger a loss of faith in some people about maintaining 1 country 2 system and so the only way to react is violant and destruction. Naturally most of the democracy advocates in HK didn't support the destruction of much of HK. They encouraged protests and demonstrations. Some of the destruction carried was also partly a result of other HK issues such as housing expenses. The main drive for yhe demonstrations and protests was to get democracy sided politicians elected into the legislature. The number of those legislatures did increase in following tbe increase awareness about central mainland government influence that resulted from the 2014 umbrella protests. So very much the legal path towards protecting HKs level of autonomy was being pursued. But the mainland central government did not make clear in a trustful way that 1 country 2 system was going to be maintained. That is not necessarily an argument that 1 country 2 system must be protected for 100 years more and further more. HK has a very long history as part of China dynasty's so it is kind of strange for HK to be a separate system which only left to be that due to left over colony possession. But the mainland's tight government control is something that people not yet harmonized by it tend to want to avoid if at all possible. Quite likely if PRC government control was less then there would be less friction within HK and between HK and the mainland.
For your second paragraph, welk yeah, a large chunk of people in the west don't really understand China or Asia very much and say kind of silly things. Even if they have some good ideas, their form of application is really sloppy.
They became foreign backed terrorists the instant they started burning shit and killing people and call for foreign intervention.
The amount of leniency they received showed that CCP is still weak compared to the US deep state.
China has a long way to go. Taiwan will be true test.
The amount of leniency they received showed that CCP is still weak compared to the US deep state.
China has a long way to go. Taiwan will be true test.
Yeah did people quick to forget Trump ordered illegal drone strike assasination on Iranian general that US tricked into peace talks? Or Trump kidnapping of Huawei CFO and holding hostage... etc etc etc
Imagine if China sent DF-26 to flatten TSMC after Taiwan cutoff Huawei or intercepted English Cabbage aircraft and took her out or held her hostage...
But I guess when you are the world reigning hegemon they let you get away with it...