Hong-Kong Protests


supersnoop

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National Taiwan University student Lee Mu-wen, 19, has no doubt that the US has Taiwan’s back, in contrast to the days of the Obama administration, when pro-mainland Ma Ying-jeou was the island’s president.

“The US certainly will come to our rescue as our relations with Washington are so much better than that of Ma Ying-jeou’s time as president, as evident by what Trump has done for us in recent years,” he said.
What a joke. If he believes in it so much, shouldn't he be in the army? The attitude is disgusting, some kind of damsel in distress. Like, stand up for yourself man!

This is how I see the HKI types. Just fake revolutionaries. Easy to fight when only one side is "fighting" (not even really fighting, just vandalism and 1 in 1000th chance of getting tackled by the police).

Americans (usually white ones), always praising them, anyone willing to die for them? Especially since it seems they are not willing to die themselves. Not to mention, independence supporters are not even the majority in any of these places. Sick of their know-it-all attitude.
 

shanlung

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The few suggestions or solution for Beijing is:

a) realize the current HK youth generation and their offsprings is a lost cause/hopeless/unrecoverable.
b) buildup Shenzhen and Shanghai, let HK slowly recede into economic irrelevance.
c) leave HK SAR status untouched for most part.
d) attract HK's top talent pool to work and live in mainland tier 1 cities. (this is key)
e) renew HK SAR status for another 50 years, but each renewal has incremental increase in control (e.g. Extradition bill in 2047, Mandarin language Patriotic education in 2097, Municipality direct control in 2147 , etc...)

The long term is complete assimilation of Hong Kong. It should be relatively easy once the current youth generation and their offsprings die off. It takes a few 50 year extensions of SAR status to erase centuries of British colonial mindset, but it will be well worth it.
And construct more sturdy lamp posts.
 

Mr T

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What a joke. If he believes in it so much, shouldn't he be in the army? The attitude is disgusting, some kind of damsel in distress. Like, stand up for yourself man!
So those of us who aren't serving personnel - which I think is near to 100% - don't believe in our own countries? Or only members of the armed forces should feel some sort of national pride?

Also, and I think it's fairly well accepted, regardless of how well Taiwan's armed forces perform at some point they need international intervention, otherwise China could just blockade Taiwan until it had to surrender.

Americans (usually white ones)
That wouldn't be surprising given that the US is predominately Caucasian (over 70%).
 

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What a joke. If he believes in it so much, shouldn't he be in the army? The attitude is disgusting, some kind of damsel in distress. Like, stand up for yourself man!

This is how I see the HKI types. Just fake revolutionaries. Easy to fight when only one side is "fighting" (not even really fighting, just vandalism and 1 in 1000th chance of getting tackled by the police).

Americans (usually white ones), always praising them, anyone willing to die for them? Especially since it seems they are not willing to die themselves. Not to mention, independence supporters are not even the majority in any of these places. Sick of their know-it-all attitude.
You see how your post get twisted to suit certain person's agenda! The way I read it is that if they believe in their country and want to make MORE contribution, then perhaps they should join the army.

But somehow, that could converted as if those of us not in the military, then we don't believe in fighting for our course, and only people in the military can feel national pride.

Now I see why some of the post seem strange. It looks like comprehension issue as well as critical thinking! Lol
 

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What a joke. If he believes in it so much, shouldn't he be in the army? The attitude is disgusting, some kind of damsel in distress. Like, stand up for yourself man!

This is how I see the HKI types. Just fake revolutionaries. Easy to fight when only one side is "fighting" (not even really fighting, just vandalism and 1 in 1000th chance of getting tackled by the police).

Americans (usually white ones), always praising them, anyone willing to die for them? Especially since it seems they are not willing to die themselves. Not to mention, independence supporters are not even the majority in any of these places. Sick of their know-it-all attitude.
LOL, what a joke. These people are completely delusional. They don't have the slightest grasp on the realities of international politics.
 

muddie

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All these violence is happening in the US right now, and not a peep from our A-Team member, yet as soon as one tiny scratch occurs on the rioters in Hong Kong, and out he comes! Gee

China needs to learn from the U.S. on how to properly suppress rioters and juveniles who push the bounties of the law.

Make it clear to the HK thugs that violence will be met with more violence and prison sentences should be extraordinarily heavy for those that riot. Either China made a mistake by not using enough force in the early days of the movement in HK or wanted to divert media attention, HK police using kiddie gloves on these thugs was a clear blunder and only encouraged the rioters to be more violent.

Had these HK rioters pulled the same thing in the U.S. they would have been crushed with brutal force. I really hope these thugs overseas try the same thing on the Western police force and see what happens.
 

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What a joke. If he believes in it so much, shouldn't he be in the army? The attitude is disgusting, some kind of damsel in distress. Like, stand up for yourself man!

This is how I see the HKI types. Just fake revolutionaries. Easy to fight when only one side is "fighting" (not even really fighting, just vandalism and 1 in 1000th chance of getting tackled by the police).

Americans (usually white ones), always praising them, anyone willing to die for them? Especially since it seems they are not willing to die themselves. Not to mention, independence supporters are not even the majority in any of these places. Sick of their know-it-all attitude.
But don't you see, ROC conscription went away since people like him have other priorities in life!

Translation: he's too cowardly to volunteer/lazy to spend 2-3 years in conscription.
 

Gatekeeper

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LOL, what a joke. These people are completely delusional. They don't have the slightest grasp on the realities of international politics.
Yep. If they think the "US ambiguity" is a good policy, they are completely delusional.

The US ambiguity policy is a policy that's dreamt up by US to allow the US to play both sides. It is not to protect Taiwan as many of these people and our own member thought.

As soon as hostility starts, the US is not going to loose their GIs for Taiwan. My parents seen what happened when the body bags started arriving in Hong Kong from Korean war. And Vietnam war, the US soon started to look for a way out. And did by selling the out the unfortunate South Vietnamese.

Also, the Kurds thought they had they ass coveted by the U.S. but as soon as the policy no longer suit U.S. intetest, it gets drop like a lead balloon. The US done it before, and it'll do it again
 

supersnoop

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You see how your post get twisted to suit certain person's agenda! The way I read it is that if they believe in their country and want to make MORE contribution, then perhaps they should join the army.

But somehow, that could converted as if those of us not in the military, then we don't believe in fighting for our course, and only people in the military can feel national pride.

Now I see why some of the post seem strange. It looks like comprehension issue as well as critical thinking! Lol
Basically this. Military service is basically a form of serving your community. You can also serve your community if you were a doctor, volunteer work, etc.

But don't you see, ROC conscription went away since people like him have other priorities in life!

Translation: he's too cowardly to volunteer/lazy to spend 2-3 years in conscription.
This is precisely the issue I have a problem with. That article cited a survey how 70% of people identified as Taiwanese, blah blah blah. That figure is cited everywhere. Yet we also know that conscription is hugely unpopular in Taiwan, so much so that MYJ was actually the one who got rid of it.

Now I am going off-topic slightly, but as I mentioned, I believe the TI and HKI supporters both have this kind of attitude. So, I am citing Taiwan specifically, but there are many parallels with HK.

So this kid's attitude perfectly encapsulates what a lot of Taiwanese want, independence, but for Americans to die for it. You can excuse such childishness from a 19-yo student, however this attitude is quite pervasive. Even the DPP defense minister who goes as far as thinking JAPAN would intervene. (
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). This kind of thinking is simply naive. The issue is not whether its realistic for ROC armed forces to actually stop a PRC attack (it's not), it's the expectation/certainty of US intervention. So why is it important for ROC to have a strong military if it is almost hopeless? It shows that they are serious about maintaining their own government and not just simply being a total US vassal. 60% of Humvees being inoperable just makes it seem like a joke.

Almost all of this news is predicated on this idea that PRC would invade Taiwan first in some vainglorious campaign to reunify the motherland or whatever. It is a little absurd. Logically speaking, PRC holds all the cards, they can wait and wait and wait. They did for HK and Macau after all. It would almost have to be TW's option to force an invasion. Last major PRC conflict was Vietnam in 1979, almost 40 years. PRC might not be garden of Eden, but it is certainly not the the world aggressor it is portrayed as in the media. I don't think it was PRC that fought in Falklands, Panama, Grenada, Iraq x 2, Bosnia, Serbia/Kosovo, Libya, Syria, Somalia, Afghanistan...

To summarize if you don't want to read all of this. TI/HKI supporters are either intellectually dishonest or unrealistic.
 

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