Hong-Kong Protests


solarz

Brigadier

This video makes a compelling argument that the purpose of the current HK unrest is to move investments out of HK and into the US.

If this is true, then China has two options:

1. Stop the move. This can only be done if China restores order in HK and, more importantly, restores investor confidence.

2. Offer a more attractive destination. If China can convince investors that they should move their money out of HK and into China, then China wins and the US loses, badly.

I think option 2 has been Beijing's plan all along, and it's what I wasn't seeing before. Sending the PAP into HK creates political uncertainty against China itself, and would be counterproductive to this plan.

If this is indeed how things are playing out, I am, unfortunately, not optimistic about HK's future. If China and the US is engaged in a tug-o-war for HK's investments, then regardless of who wins, HK will be finished.

HK's only hope is for China to win this tug-o-war, because if the US wins, it will not care one whit about HK. If China wins, then HK will be given the chance to rebuild.
 

localizer

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This video makes a compelling argument that the purpose of the current HK unrest is to move investments out of HK and into the US.

If this is true, then China has two options:

1. Stop the move. This can only be done if China restores order in HK and, more importantly, restores investor confidence.

2. Offer a more attractive destination. If China can convince investors that they should move their money out of HK and into China, then China wins and the US loses, badly.

I think option 2 has been Beijing's plan all along, and it's what I wasn't seeing before. Sending the PAP into HK creates political uncertainty against China itself, and would be counterproductive to this plan.

If this is indeed how things are playing out, I am, unfortunately, not optimistic about HK's future. If China and the US is engaged in a tug-o-war for HK's investments, then regardless of who wins, HK will be finished.

HK's only hope is for China to win this tug-o-war, because if the US wins, it will not care one whit about HK. If China wins, then HK will be given the chance to rebuild.
If they move investments, take the terrorists along.
 
as I can see, the HK protests came to Europe:
Hong Kong justice secretary Teresa Cheng injured in London while surrounded by protesters
  • The cabinet member, considered a key figure in the drafting of the now-shelved extradition bill, hurt her arm when she fell
  • She was in the British capital to promote Hong Kong as a centre of dispute resolution
(it happened yesterday, only now I noticed)
"to promote Hong Kong as a centre of dispute resolution" sounds ironic; follow the link
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if interested
 

Nutrient

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While it might be "romantic" to believe that the people can rise up and organize to fight these gangs, I think it is a little fantastical.
There is something the people can do; see below.


It is exceedingly difficult to formulate a cohesive defense against the rioters for a variety of reasons.
1. The rioters travel. If you wanted to be patriotic, it is unlikely you will defend a district beyond your own immediate neighborhood.
2. The rioters are exceedingly well organized. This is likely due to foreign support. They are always able to get their hands on ample supplies such as gas masks, improvised weapons, and bring sufficient numbers to intimidate others. To make an effective defense, you need better planning, better organization, and it is just too difficult to coordinate this among regular people.
3. The rioters are younger on average. They have less to lose. Older people have business or family to worry about. The man who was burned has 2 daughters. Plus, look what happens when people organize to defend themselves in Yuen Long and North Point, smeared in the media as Triads. Then it opens up to more revenge tactics by the "Black Guard".
Chasing the rioters will be necessary, but I think something else must be done first.

That "something else" is to go after the judges who keep releasing the arrested rioters. If the thugs continue coming back, there is little point in chasing and arresting them. So Hong Kong must find some way to throw the violent people in the slammer for a long time, preferably for years.

The rioters can't riot if they're in jail. If the judges do their jobs, the cops can start eliminating violent cockroaches from the streets. It's likely that the CIA already has groups of backup rioters. But if the thugs continue to be taken off the streets, eventually even the backup gangs will run out of people. Then the CIA will have to recruit. And this recruiting activity will expose the CIA's operatives.

If the judges start doing their jobs properly, the riots will end. That is how important it is to force them to do it.

So we're back to the question of the people's power. And they do have power. If they gather by the millions to denounce the thuggery and support Beijing, eventually even the most resistant judges, feeling public pressure, will begin to do their jobs. And then the riots will stop.
 
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