Hong Kong....Occupy Central Demonstrations....

airsuperiority · Sep 30, 2014

shen said:
In the Western press, you constant read headlines that refer the HK protest as Tiananmen 2.0. Almost as if they what to see a bloodbath. I've also read self proclaimed HK posters on Chinese language forums saying that they want to see PLA tanks rolling into HK. They may be a minority, but just beware that there are people that thrive in chaos.

Western press loves to hype things up. Don't burn that on us. The biggest loss will be for the HKers and China when this happens.

I can speak for the HKers on the streets and the protestors, that what those extremists wants are seriously not what the majority wants. We are literally crying slogans for direct elections only. There are posts telling protestors written by other protestors to:

1. Not disrupt the flag-raising ceremony
2. Do not get inflamed by flamebaiters. Some of them wanted to seize this opportunity to make things violent so they can undermine the effort
3. Exercise restraint. People have been saying that the whole time since the protest started.
4. And yes, people there are actually SO sensitive about possible troublemakers right now. They kept telling others to stay vigilant and I'm not kidding you.

Can you read Chinese? If you do, I'll show you screenshots of status updates of things people are saying.

And don't forget, HKers are Chinese too. What we do reflects on being Chinese too.

And the types of troublemakers you're warning about:

pla101prc said:
nah attack and occupy the SAR building is a much better option, tried and tested in Taiwan, Ukraine, Libya etc.

Instigating violence.

If you guys wonder why I'm responsive to these remarks, it's because comments like such are not reflecting who we are, insulting, and rather shows the ulterior motives of those who speaks those words. Bias can be such a dangerous thing. Look at how pla101prc is advocating violence. Shameful.

pla101prc · Sep 30, 2014

shen said:
In the Western press, you constant read headlines that refer the HK protest as Tiananmen 2.0. Almost as if they what to see a bloodbath. I've also read self proclaimed HK posters on Chinese language forums saying that they want to see PLA tanks rolling into HK. They may be a minority, but just beware that there are people that thrive in chaos.

there is another interesting stipulation that maybe Leung CY himself wants a deterioration, so as to alienate Beijing from the HK public, then present himself as its only reliable ally. So once severe public disruption renders universal suffrage impractical, Beijing will be pressed to appoint Leung for a second term. there are some obvious weaknesses to this argument but still interesting to hear.

Brumby · Sep 30, 2014

AssassinsMace said:
It does explain why Hong Kongers were stupid playing drama queen during the handover scaring away money and Western expatriates. They actually thought the West was going violate on a treaty from an ugly part of Western colonial history, especially with all that nonsense about how they care about the rule of law, wasting their lives in a war with China?

This is the second time that you are making the assertion that Hong Kongers were scaring off expats during the transitionary period. Air challenged this assertion of yours as to its source when you first made it. I second that request.

There was no doubt that the transitionary period was a period filled with apprehension for the local population because of uncertainty and the 1989 incident truly ignited the fire. I was based in HK in 1991-92 and clearly there was a flight of capital and people but they were predominantly locals and not expats. By simple logic, expats carry foreign passports and are mobile in terms of location. I was an expat living in HK and like most major multinationals, there are programs in place like SOS which ensure emergency evacuation are available should there be a need. Locals were just reacting to circumstances created by the actions of Beijing. Blaming the locals is a twisted logic.

Blackstone · Sep 30, 2014

airsuperiority said:
You have been wishing for them to became chaotic and destructive, and then the government crackdown on them real bad. You've stated it before, and up there you've said it again.

I have an inkling I know, but just to be sure, show me the passages where I said I wished for the protests to descend into chaos, so the authorities could crackdown hard.

I've tried telling you, with a benefit of a doubt you're not understand the situation, that the people there are being civic and orderly and cleaning up their acts, but it seems like you're still hoping they mess up real bad.

There you go again (thank you, President Reagan), accusing me of wishing harm. Where's your evidence?

Why don't you be blunt and tell us what you wish will happen to HK right now and the exact scenario that you prefer.

But, you're doing such a great job of painting your own fantasies...

airsuperiority · Sep 30, 2014

Brumby said:
This is the second time that you are making the assertion that Hong Kongers were scaring off expats during the transitionary period. Air challenged this assertion of yours as to its source when you first made it. I second that request.

There was no doubt that the transitionary period was a period filled with apprehension for the local population because of uncertainty and the 1989 incident truly ignited the fire. I was based in HK in 1991-92 and clearly there was a flight of capital and people but they were predominantly locals and not expats. By simple logic, expats carry foreign passports and are mobile in terms of location. I was an expat living in HK and like most major multinationals, there are programs in place like SOS which ensure emergency evacuation are available should there be a need. Locals were just reacting to circumstances created by the actions of Beijing. Blaming the locals is a twisted logic.

Some people are very biased and so stuck on it too. Sad thing is when they are also arrogant and always constantly trying to find the smallest things they can or their bias-hyped sensitive meter, then make a mountain out of it, then they will say they're trying to find faults in others' argument to criticize and claim that in the logic of "exposing their hypocrisy"

It's very funny because not only they don't know what they're talking about, they actually don't even know much about the place they're talking about, yet they are so ready to make loud statements. Honestly, I can't imagine myself being so self-unaware, over the top, and saying things like that that are stupid. Of course if you also look at what this member clicked "like" for in this thread, his attitude shows. Sometimes they would be so arrogant or without shame to even try and read you. What those people don't know is, just because they scored victories exposing Western hypocrisies doesn't mean they are naturally great or actually smart. Calling out a thug for violence is something anyone can do and it's nothing impressive. However, it's with greater heart to appreciate the good sides of people, give a benefit of a doubt, and open to listening what others have to say. I can't expect the same for others, so when I see I should just give up, I will, and that's what I'm doing now. A lot of these folks are smart, but I personally feel from the vibe that they give me, they are smart yet bigoted.

This is why I also left the pro-China camp on this forum. Pro China is supposed to be a beautiful thing, but when you have people who are combative to anything not what CCP is, then you realize you're supporting the wrong group.

I have been uploading so much material to this thread and responding to questions constantly and providing explanations and giving my best patience and courteous manner when they are being polite and not rude to my people, sometimes answering the same thing several times. I even tried to give these members a benefit of a doubt, but I quickly realized some are just as mind-stuck in their bias even after you showed them everything contrary. Just like anti-vaxxers, logic and reasoning isn't too effective because they want to believe in their bias and to crush you and feel superior for being right. The same mentality is happening in HK, which is why the protestors are doing their best job to not act disorderly and give others a chance. I had learned a lot from my folks there. I am now accepting the fact some are just stuck in their minds as they are and they prefer it that way.

airsuperiority · Sep 30, 2014

Blackstone said:
I have an inkling I know, but just to be sure, show me the passages where I said I wished for the protests to descend into chaos, so the authorities could crackdown hard.

There you go again (thank you, President Reagan), accusing me of wishing harm. Where's your evidence?

But, you're doing such a great job of painting your own fantasies...

you're not answering my question.
also, if you really want me to look it up, i will, and i know where it is.

Look Blackstone, ask yourself if you genuinely wants HK to go down bad or protestors get a harsh beating despite the best they're trying to be. If you do, then go ahead and ask me to show what you had said, and I will show you. If you don't want HK to go down bad, but you feel the protestors are bad or violent or uncivil or whatever, then I hope we can drop this topic together because there's just some misunderstanding and it's not my desires to start a conflict with you and make this any worse than what it is already. I can tell you, they aren't trying to be bad or whatever. They are doing their best to stay orderly and not be disruptive in areas that are unnecessary. They even clean up after themselves and tell others not to disrupt the flag ceremony tomorrow. They are NOT trying to overthrow CCP or anything. They had stated their aims is for direct elections and the removal of CY.
I had posted a lot of material on this forum. If only you take a look then you can see what's happening. Don't let bias get to you because HK vs China isn't good for anyone, and even the protestors in HK are reminding people this is not a war between HK and China.

pla101prc · Sep 30, 2014

airsuperiority said:
Western press loves to hype things up. Don't burn that on us. The biggest loss will be for the HKers and China when this happens.

I can speak for the HKers on the streets and the protestors, that what those extremists wants are seriously not what the majority wants. We are literally crying slogans for direct elections only. There are posts telling protestors written by other protestors to:

1. Not disrupt the flag-raising ceremony
2. Do not get inflamed by flamebaiters. Some of them wanted to seize this opportunity to make things violent so they can undermine the effort
3. Exercise restraint. People have been saying that the whole time since the protest started.
4. And yes, people there are actually SO sensitive about possible troublemakers right now. They kept telling others to stay vigilant and I'm not kidding you.

Can you read Chinese? If you do, I'll show you screenshots of status updates of things people are saying.

And don't forget, HKers are Chinese too. What we do reflects on being Chinese too.

And the types of troublemakers you're warning about:

Instigating violence.

If you guys wonder why I'm responsive to these remarks, it's because comments like such are not reflecting who we are, insulting, and rather shows the ulterior motives of those who speaks those words. Bias can be such a dangerous thing. Look at how pla101prc is advocating violence. Shameful.

lmao inciting violence is against board rules. maybe you should go tell old popeye to ban me for life. seriously are we not allowed to make an assumption on how things might go? people were talking about how war should be fought in the Ukraine discussion maybe you should criticize them for advocating killing people lol. this is a military forum and half of the people on here (myself included) are serving or former members of various armed forces, and trust me we are not in the business of babying kids who can't swallow dissenting arguments, that's part of growing up.

pla101prc · Sep 30, 2014

anyways, for those who actually are mature enough to talk about this in a manner that would not induce a closure of this thread by popeye the big puhpuh. we should take note that tomorrow is China's national day, and apparently the protesters were thinking of putting on a "show" for its share of the celebration. Would be interesting to watch how Leung can put out anything positive because if things don't go well i suspect the CCP won't keep him around after 2017.

getready · Sep 30, 2014

mobydog said:
I believe, even if today, were HK is still a British Colony. The same housing price hike issues will still be same. Since rich mainlanders will still invest insanely in the 'Private sector', while your british master continue to auction out land to sent back more money to London, instead of building more public housing. Will there be a difference today? Wealth disparity is huge during free for all british times.

Hong Kong got it's wealth for being a gateway to China, if hk today remains with british. China would redirect all it's resources to shanghai. Hong kong today will be in a dire state. . will hk'ers demand full democracy from British ? HK should count their lucky stars, that they are with china. Mainlanders stealing and competing for social benefits, that you guys are benefiting trade and funds from china, is minute comparision.

And what cultural issues are you talking about, spitting, eating weird animals, public urinating, talking loudly, prostitution, gambling or what. Hk'er does all that.

Admit it ...superiority complex and bias , i never said Jealousy, plays a big part on whats going. . the media too.

They just fear competition mixed with classic xenophobia towards mainlanders. Will be interesting if the economy totally go down the drain when this prolongs. I guess mainland money is ok but when their countryman wants to buy property or use the education and hospital services it's no way Jose. Well that's fine hopefully the students can go on indefinitely cuz that will certainly help hk lol. And universal suffrage will magically cure all of HK's issues. I like to have what they are smoking. And yeah will be fun if mainland no longer give financial incentives, better to develop other cities like shanghai or chongqing.

Brumby · Sep 30, 2014

airsuperiority said:
Some people are very biased and so stuck on it too. Sad thing is when they are also arrogant and always constantly trying to find the smallest things they can or their bias-hyped sensitive meter, then make a mountain out of it, then they will say they're trying to find faults in others' argument to criticize and claim that in the logic of "exposing their hypocrisy"

It's very funny because not only they don't know what they're talking about, they actually don't even know much about the place they're talking about, yet they are so ready to make loud statements. Honestly, I can't imagine myself being so self-unaware, over the top, and saying things like that that are stupid. Of course if you also look at what this member clicked "like" for in this thread, his attitude shows. Sometimes they would be so arrogant or without shame to even try and read you. What those people don't know is, just because they scored victories exposing Western hypocrisies doesn't mean they are naturally great or actually smart. Calling out a thug for violence is something anyone can do and it's nothing impressive. However, it's with greater heart to appreciate the good sides of people, give a benefit of a doubt, and open to listening what others have to say. I can't expect the same for others, so when I see I should just give up, I will, and that's what I'm doing now. A lot of these folks are smart, but I personally feel from the vibe that they give me, they are smart yet bigoted.

This is why I also left the pro-China camp on this forum. Pro China is supposed to be a beautiful thing, but when you have people who are combative to anything not what CCP is, then you realize you're supporting the wrong group.

I have been uploading so much material to this thread and responding to questions constantly and providing explanations and giving my best patience and courteous manner when they are being polite and not rude to my people, sometimes answering the same thing several times. I even tried to give these members a benefit of a doubt, but I quickly realized some are just as mind-stuck in their bias even after you showed them everything contrary. Just like anti-vaxxers, logic and reasoning isn't too effective because they want to believe in their bias and to crush you and feel superior for being right. The same mentality is happening in HK, which is why the protestors are doing their best job to not act disorderly and give others a chance. I had learned a lot from my folks there. I am now accepting the fact some are just stuck in their minds as they are and they prefer it that way.

Hanging onto to certain values and upholding what you truly believe makes you who you are. I truly appreciate you feeding us the facts on the ground and my respect towards you in diligently and unwaveringly defending your cause. Do not be discouraged just because others don't share the same values but I certainly agree it can be emotionally draining having to deal with the ignorant and the saboteurs. Just ignore them if you can. Get enough of sleep as the road ahead may be long.

Hong Kong....Occupy Central Demonstrations....

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