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crobato

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I worry for the next four years..... speaking comparatively the only other Democratic who came too Office under such a situation was Carter and Militarily he bleed the US military like the Fall of the USSR did to the Red Army. Taking into account the Released Values of The new President Elect I am very concerned also factoring in the Statements of Mr. Obama concerning negotiation and some dangerous nations Iran, North Korea both nations that have a history of breaking promises and reneging on oaths


I worry less now. Mainly because I believe the President of the United States should not operate by "gut instinct" in going to war as Bush did despite lack of serious evidence that Iraq had WMDs. McCain for me, showed he liked to do operate on "gut instinct" without thinking things through, like calling Palin as his VP, then decided to wanting to fire Chris Cox in one day, then criticize Greed in Wall Street in another day like a socialist, then suddenly propose his own 300 billion bank bailout plan the next day, then criticize about "Socialism" the next week.

On the other hand, with Obama I see a man who is actually very clever, a genius in strategic and tactical terms. An American political campaign is like a war. Its planned like a war, with large scale strategies and small scale precise tactics, with great attention to logistics (campaign funding), positioning. The land is considered 'battleground' and treated as places to conquer.

Obama started as a nobody, with no experience, and yet he managed to turn around and beat people with far greater 'experience' like Hillary and McCain in one of the most well orchestrated, tech savy and innovative campaigns in American political history. You should see Ed Rollins' face in CNN when he talks about Obama's campaign, and Ed Rollins is the guy who masterminded Reagan's political campaigns.

I do not see anything in Obama's "released values" that threatens this country. Rather, everything I've seen with him, his actions and words is truly lives up to the spirit of this document.

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This is in contrast to the other person who choose his VP, a heartbeat away from being President, who said this about a VP's role:

"PALIN: That’s something that Piper would ask me! … [T]hey’re in charge of the U.S. Senate so if they want to they can really get in there with the senators and make a lot of good policy changes that will make life better for Brandon and his family and his classroom."

Obviously never read that document above.

Yes I can rest easy.

What I genuinely worry for the United States is some bigot who will try to assassinate Obama.
 

tphuang

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I will try to keep this short since I'm going to put in a blog entry on this.

I've been an Obama supporter since he announced his candidacy in 2006. Personally speaking, I don't agree with a lot of his policies, but I've always supported him. I believe that the leader of America should be a truly unique leader with strong leadership qualities. The policies are formulated by the advisers and other members of the party. However, true leaders have something different. They have the ability to inspire the nation to do greater things. They have the ability to get the young people to believe in themselves and believe in the nation. They have the ability to give vision to the people, so that they can have hope and optimism. That's what I always saw in Obama. Maybe he will not succeed (and it is hard to with the current economic situation), but at worst, we will have a president that is respected by the rest of the world, an intelligent man at the helm and change the way the world thinks about America. Just by the virtual of having a black man elected, it tells the world that America is not just ruled by a bunch of old white man. But that it really is a land where anyone can do anything. That alone would change and has changed the way that the rest of the world thinks about America. This really is something no other candidate can do.

And when he was making his acceptance speech, I felt like crying. When I first came to North America and learning about the culture here, my first hero was Martin Luther King. So, when Obama went back on the civil rights movement back in the days, it was almost too much.

As for his policies, I personally don't support a lot of them. I like Ron Paul the most. I'm very fiscally conservative and also believe that offshore drilling should be allowed and nuclear power should be the largest part of a clean air initiative. But one thing I can never look away from is Barack's character and leadership and intelligence. And that's something I saw in no other candidates. btw, I'm personally disgusted by the personal attacks thrown by the Republicans in this elections and the one in 2004. And if that wasn't enough, the selection of Palin absolutely frightened me. The thought that this clueless woman might take over presidency should buckle anyone's knees. I think McCain would've been better served if he selected Joe Liebermann as he had wanted or Mike Huckabee whom I liked a lot more.
 

SampanViking

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I actually think the Media does Mr Obama few favours with the gushing hysteria it has been whipping up. The degree of expectation being created would be difficult for Jesus Christ to live up too!

I am also sick of hearing them say that Americans have elected a Black man, they have not, they have elected a new President. I find the tone of the reporting highly patronising.

I have no doubt as to the scale of the personal achievement of Mr Obama's election and the very great obstacles he had to overcome in order to realise that achievement. In term though of the significance on US Policy, I will reserve my judgement. The US runs through a large political machine that is itself far greater than the personality of the man that sits in the White House, no matter how great that personality may be. It is difficult to believe that anyone who is genuinely from outside or unapproved by the Political establishment could rise independantly from obscurity to the Top.

My suspicion is a victory of style not of substance, a similar product in just very different packaging. Time will be the judge!
 

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bd popeye

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I am also sick of hearing them say that Americans have elected a Black man, they have not, they have elected a new President. I find the tone of the reporting highly patronising.

Great statement S. Viking! Lost in all this bluster about race is the fact that 61% of white voters cast their lot for Mr Obama...
 

bladerunner

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An excerpt taken from Kent Ewings article in atimes. 6th nov. An interesting statement. I wonder what would be going through their minds

And he is, if you listen to Hong Kong's last colonial governor, Chris Patten, who is currently passing through the mainland and Hong Kong on a tour promoting his latest book, What Next? Surviving the 21st Century. In Beijing over the weekend, Patten - now a member of Britain’s House of Lords and chancellor of Oxford University - said China would be "gobsmacked" by Obama's election because so many Chinese people continue to believe that racial discrimination remains rampant in the US.
 
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bd popeye

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In Beijing over the weekend, Patten - now a member of Britain’s House of Lords and chancellor of Oxford University - said China would be "gobsmacked" by Obama's election because so many Chinese people continue to believe that racial discrimination remains rampant in the US.

I had no clue what gobsmacked menat so I looked it up. Seems it means “utterly astonished, astounded”. I'm sure they are.

I pray better relations will abound with the Chinese in the comming years. I hope old barriers are broken down. I really do.
 

AssassinsMace

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I had to look up what "gobsmacked" meant. Like Obama's election means racism is over? Guess again.

When a soccer team from Africa plays against the hometown team in Germany and the fans start throwing bananas onto the field, the Europeans are full of it. When in the last year, Chinese have been beaten and some killed in Spain, Ireland, and Italy because of their race, the Europeans are full of it. When you have riots in France over discrimination against African and Turkish immigrants, the Europeans are full of it. Ask Oprah about that one.

We already know who was 'gobsmacked" when during the Olympics, some reporters were confused why Kobe Bryant was so popular more than Lance Armstrong in China? How Freudian! The more appropriate question should've been why Kobe Bryant is more popular than Yao Ming in China especially since bicycling as a sport isn't big in China?

To make such a statement... yes the Chinese may have been "gobsmacked" but a black man that had to fight against his opponents, from liberal Hillary to McCain, trying to remind people how black Obama is in order to discourage people from voting for him to get elected in no way comes close to the conclusion Chris Patten is making in that statement.
 

Finn McCool

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Well I was an Obama supporter for a while, but originally supported McCain. What switched me was McCain's general move to the right on all issues after winning the nomination, picking Palin, and Obama's moderation of his stance on Iraq.

Also I read that McCain's proposed tax cuts would not produce economic growth because by greatly increasing the national debt they would "crowd out" the private sector in the already tight credit market.

Anyway I am quite happy about Obama winning. I'm not black, so I don't think I can speak about how his victory has made African-Americans feel, but I can say that it seems that my attitude towards my country has changed in the last few days; it's like maybe we're finally waking up and shaking off the dust. Maybe the division, the fear and the mistakes and the shame and the resignation that have so far shadowed the new millenium are beginning to end, and that we're returning to a normal, strong America again. I am sincerely filled with a new appreciation for democracy, and a new hope for this country, not just because of Obama's race. It's a sense that maybe our nation will actually begin to solve the problems that it faces (rather than just drifting and getting hit by wave after wave as we seem to have been).

Sounds corny I know. And I am not an Obama fanatic. But I feel this way nevertheless.
 

crobato

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Basically I was neutral and cool to both, because I don't believe Obama and McCain could solve America's gargantuan problems without some real serious institutional and infrastructure change that amount to politically unacceptable pain. We remember the economic stimulus package handed out earlier this year right? What good did that do.

But then again, I'm a fan of Ron Paul, whom I think is the real maverick in all of this. Just too maverick to be accepted by the political establishment.

What tipped me against McCain was his choice of running mate while on the other hand, Obama choose his well, other than Biden being so gaffe prone. But anytime I want someone in a heartbeat away from the Presidency, I prefer Joe the MENSA than Mrs. Saks Fifth Avenue.

Sorry. Just freaked me out to actually see an American version of Imelda Marcos and Evita Peron.
 
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