H-6 Bomber Aircraft Discussions

tphuang

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Re: Question regarding the future of the H-6 bomber

I don't think so. A plane like the H-6 is likely to carry larger and more cruise missiles without handling difficulties than an Su-34. This is not a matter of engine power, this is a matter of wing design. The H-6 has more space to put various equipment on board. It also allows for more crew. The plane can still carry more fuel and can spend more time to loiter.

The Su-34 fills more of the same space as the JH-7A, not the H-6, although I suspect China is also seriously considering the Su-27KUB.
It's for this reason that I always hoped that China would at least find a successor to H-6. And honestly, the only thing China is interested in from the Russians is Tu-160, we know that's not going to be available. And it doesn't seem like they are finding anything to replace H-6 domestically either.
 

maozedong

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Re: Question regarding the future of the H-6 bomber

some body mentioned capet bombing and taiwan.
let me remenber there are so many discuss in chinese newspapers,magazines and internet,mostlly from taiwan it's self.
saying is taiwan after 800(later may more) ballistic missiles and thousands cruise missiles enough attack,the second attack by Su30mkk,JH7,J10,Q5 air to ground strike,is able to destory most taiwan's ground airdefence systems,in this time,H6 and Q5 deploy the carpet bombing is avilable and necessary,it may guarantee the PLA landing troop fast control the island.
the operation is success or not depend on the first attack must destory all the air bases of taiwan,stop most of taiwan's air fighters take off from the bases.
ofcause ,we can think about this, the military generals of taiwan already considered it long time ago.
we can see all the fighters in taiwan are underground,and most air bases moved to eastside of taiwan.
ofcause PLA generals already have plan for this.
we "talking the defence in the paper",but so many chinese discuss about this.
H6 still useful for a long time.
 

oringo

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Re: Question regarding the future of the H-6 bomber

I don't think so. A plane like the H-6 is likely to carry larger and more cruise missiles without handling difficulties than an Su-34. This is not a matter of engine power, this is a matter of wing design. The H-6 has more space to put various equipment on board. It also allows for more crew. The plane can still carry more fuel and can spend more time to loiter.

The Su-34 fills more of the same space as the JH-7A, not the H-6, although I suspect China is also seriously considering the Su-27KUB.
Actually, according to
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website, SU-34 can carry sunburns and club missles. I think they weigh about the same as KD-63, if not more. The combat radiu and airtime of SU-34 is also comparable to H-6; afterall it was designed to be a med/long-range bomber. SU-34 only has room for two pilots, but the comfort level is probably higher than that of H-6. The cockpit is pressurized and air-conditioned and equipped with a toilet. It was joked that the cockpit is roomier than Tu-160. Anyway, you probably already know all that. My point is that SU-34 might just be a serious replacement for H-6.
 
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crobato

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Re: Question regarding the future of the H-6 bomber

That website has a lot of marketing (male cow's excrement). The Kh-41 project has been dropped long time ago because no one is financing and buying (they were expecting China who didn't bite). There is no airborne test of the Club either. The rest is valid. However, it offers nothing that the current Su-30MKK can't handle. Furthermore, the Su-30MKK integrated these weapons long ago---the Su-30MKK is the first Russian plane that is legally certifiable as a multirole fighter. And I don't think it entered service in 2004 as a few examples aer expected to be constructed later the decade.

The development of the Kh-59MK antiship missile, export only, for the Chinese market tells you that China wasn't even looking airborne Sunburns and Klubs. The fact that this missile is cancelled---leaving the Su-30MK2s with only a short ranged AshM the Kh-31A---tells you a bit that China no longer has any appetite for Russian AshMs, and would prefer to make use of its own airborne variants of YJ-83, -62 and -63.

The problem is, we don't know if the Russians would agree to integrating these weapons into their aircraft, or if the Chinese would be willing to share the control codes and protocols to the Russians to make it happen.

So no, it's not a serious alternative to the current JH-7As and H-6s. Furthermore if the Chinese did buy the Su-34, they got no airborne AshM to use it (read above for the 3 projects that are cancelled) with except for the Kh-35 and Kh-31A, both of whom do not outperform any current Chinese airlaunched AshM. The Kh-59MK was probably cancelled because it does not outperform the airlaunched YJs, not to mention its engine layout, compared to the YJs, give it a bigger radar signature.

The only serious missile that the Chinese may have been looking at is the Kh-55. We don't know if the Russians are willing to sell. The interest on the Tu-160 is part of this. Ukraine is said to have sold China six Kh-55s. Jane's reported/speculated on an H-6 variant designed to carry it called the H-6K.

If Su-34 can be made to carry Kh-55, maybe China can consider. China was offered Tu-22M3 as the Russians can't sell their Tu-160 which is their crown jewels, so the Tu-22M3 is the next best thing. However, that is also rejected. Ukraine is said to have destroyed their remaining fleet of Tu-22M3 and Tu-160, though I wondered what "destroyed" really means *wink* *wink*.

Nonetheless, China does not appear to be interested on Tu-22M3, despite such aircraft was brought into the Sino-Russian exercises in August 2004 to show to officials.

I might say at this point, the road seems clear H-6 will stay around for a while, maybe even a decade or two, as a cruise missile carrier for indigenous ALCMs and AshMs, including successive variants of the YJ-83, -63 and -62.
 

wanderingmind

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Re: H-6 bomber thread

Myself, I personally foresee the H-6 staying around for quite a while. Right now, in the US, there's a lot of back-and-forth on the need for a "bomb truck" to service air support requests that call for more than a couple of 500-pounders and a go-fast machine. If the PLAAF is smart, they'll keep a few H-6's around equipped with that capability. In short, despite the wishes of the "fighter mafia," the need for a light/medium bomber keeps rearing its head in the combat arena. When will they learn?
 

BLUEJACKET

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Re: H-6 bomber thread

This is google English translattion of Chinese site.
H-6H missile bombers
In late 1990, Xi'an Aircraft Plant start of the PLA H-6 production to meet demand for a new aerial platform to transmit long-range precision strike weapons.
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Chinese anti-ship missiles can be improved by upgrading H-6 "Badger" bombers used, according to unconfirmed reports. 中国据信已经恢复这种飞机的低率生产-苏联时代图波列夫(Tupolev)Tu-16的一个仿造型-在2006年早期。China is believed to have resumed this low rate production aircraft-Soviet era Tupolev (Tupolev), a simulation modeling 50s-early in 2006.

主要的进步包括有能力在机翼下硬挂点上携带四枚大型导弹而不是如同早期型号一样携带两枚。Major advances include the ability to carry hanging points in the last four under the wings of large-scale missile and not the same as carrying two early models. 未经证实的被指定为H-6K和H-6M已经使用被描述型号具有一个可提高的导弹装备能力。The unconfirmed and has been designated as H-6K H-6M models have been used to be described with an improved missile capability.

为这一种飞机潜在的导弹负载能够包括增程YJ-83(CSSC-8‘Saccade’)和一种空射型YJ-62(C-602)。A plane load of potential for this to include the extended-range missile YJ-83 (CSSC-8 'Saccade'), and an air-launched YJ-62 (C-602).

附原文供对照参考:Reference : for the original laws

Chinese H-6 bomber carries 'improved missiles'Chinese H-6 bomber carries' improved missiles'

By David C IsbyBy David C. Isby

Upgraded anti-ship missiles can be used by modified versions of Chinese H-6 'Badger' bombers, according to unconfirmed reports. China is believed to have reinstated low-rate production of the aircraft - a copy of the Soviet-era Tupolev Tu-16 - in early 2006.Upgraded anti-ship missiles can be used by modified versions of Chinese H-6 'Badger' bombers. according to unconfirmed reports. China is believed to have reinstated low-rate production of the aircraft-a copy of the Soviet-era Tupolev Tu-in early 2006.

The major improvements include the ability to carry four large missiles on underwing hardpoints rather than two, as with previous versions. The unconfirmed designations H-6K and H-6M have been used to describe versions with an enhanced missile armament capability.The major improvements include the ability to carry four large missiles on underwing hardpoints rather than two. as with previous versions. The unconfirmed H-6K and H-6M designations have been used to describe versions with an enhanced in. armament capability.
Potential missile loads for this aircraft could include the extended-range YJ-83(CSSC-8 'Saccade') and an air-launched version of the YJ-62 (C-602).
Potential in. loads for this aircraft could include the extended-range YJ-83 (CSSC-8 'Saccade') and an air-launched version of the YJ-62 (C-602).
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New old Tu-16 video!

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challenge

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Re: H-6 bomber thread

few months ago, report that PLAAF is developing SAR for H-6,there's possiblity that SAR intent to cue FT-1 guide bomb.
 
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