H-20 bomber (with H-X, JH-XX)

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iBBz

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The only limitation is People's conservative thinking. I am sure if J-36's dimensions were released 1 year ago, people here would not believe it and call it unfeasible. But we have a massive supersonic 3 engine air superiority fighter that is twice the size of J-20 flying.

People need to understand that China is technologically breaking barriers in ways US and the west cannot imagine. They are coming up with stuff that seems almost sci-fi few years ago.

Compare to that, 300 ton stealth Bomber is not big of a deal. Sure, it will be extremely costly. But I don't think its technically that challenging. All planes operate with same kind of principles. If China can build 220 ton Y-20, they can also build a flying wing with similar weight. Its just a different plane shape and different control surfaces.

They already have the stealth technology, they have the ram technology. They have experimented enough with flying wing designs that they can build the control surfaces.

A 4 engine WS-20 configuration can probably fly with 300 tons.

Overall, I don't see any technological limitations for building such a plane.
I think you need to try and improve your knowledge and understanding of technology / military technology.

And also read the threads you participate in, carefully, before commenting.

It’s getting to the point where your comments are so inane (and easily solvable with 5 mins reading of prior posts) that they temporarily derail threads or ongoing conversation.

If a traditional flying wing needs to have a long weapons bay, then it starts to get very unrealistically wide. A lot of that is basic geometry, you can get a set square and try yourself.
 

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Just a thought, not neccessary related to H20. Since by general consensus, the Sept 3rd parade is for weapons/platforms already in service, so JL-1 ALBM is in service either at evaluation/operational testing stage or already in regular service stage, what aircraft was or would be used for evaluation & testing stage? How was the prototype launched for flight testings from an aerial platform before entering service?

There are only 3 large aerial platform that we know, IL-76, Y20 and H6N. If either of these 3 aerial platform are not ideal carrier for JL-1, Why the service induction of JL-1 ALBM now? If the original platform (H20?) is postponed due to the need to re-design due to new requirement, and if a war suddently break out how would JL-1 be deployed before H20 becomes FOC?

Does this mean the "original designed" H20 was already near maiden flight stage before it was postponed ? Or there is an expectation that there might not be a major delay in time for the appearance of "re-designed" H20?
 
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Nx4eu

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Just a thought, not neccessary related to H20. Since by general consensus, the Sept 3rd parade is for weapons/platforms already in service, so JL-1 ALBM is in service either at evaluation/operational testing stage or already in regular service stage, what aircraft was or would be used for evaluation & testing stage? How was the prototype launched for flight testings from an aerial platform before entering service?

There are only 3 large aerial platform that we know, IL-76, Y20 and H6N. If either of these 3 aerial platform are not ideal carrier for JL-1, Why the service induction of JL-1 ALBM now? If the original platform (H20?) is postponed due to the need to re-design due to new requirement, and if a war suddently break out how would JL-1 be deployed before H20 becomes FOC?

Does this mean the "original designed" H20 was already near maiden flight stage before it was postponed ? Or there is an expectation that there might not be a major delay in time for the appearance of "re-designed" H20?
I believe a modified H-6 would be able to do the job. The "Beijing Hammer" ALBM has a striking resemblance to the JL-1. Perhaps there's a slot in the H-6 belly, or the JL-1 has folding fins. But I feel like the JL-1 is the official designation to the Beijing Hammer.
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I can see some grey fins here.
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I believe a modified H-6 would be able to do the job. The "Beijing Hammer" ALBM has a striking resemblance to the JL-1. Perhaps there's a slot in the H-6 belly, or the JL-1 has folding fins. But I feel like the JL-1 is the official designation to the Beijing Hammer.
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H-6N is specifically built for this it seems
 

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Today while discussing the maiden flight of the second B-21 Yankee, Shilao and Ayi again implied that H-20's requirement grew out of needing to be able to fit something like JL-1 inside an IWB.

In fact they implied that PLAAF needed a large ALBM with great range like JL-1 because of relatively lack of performance of H-6 variants against B-52 and Tu-95. And in turn these large ALBM then created the updated requirements for H-20.

While I really appreciate the updates from the trio, I hope you guys can post as much of the transcript and translation as possible, or at least a timestamp, instead of just a summary. Their podcast is often very cryptic, where exact phrasings are important and are often open to interpretation.

Timestamp starts at around 34:00
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Yankee: JL-1 — the reason it's made so large is still because the bomber's basic performance sets the limit (he then talks about how the H-6 is inferior to B-52 and Tu-95)

Yankee (a bit later): Because JL-1 caused the H-20 to be redesigned.

Yankee: How should I put it…

Shilao: You've got it backwards.

Ayi: Yeah, it's indeed backwards.

Yankee: Well… it's technically correct.

Shilao: It's… technically correct… but it doesn't mean what you're implying.

Ayi: The exact words were "Because JL-1 caused the H-20 to be redesigned", that's not wrong

Yankee: Right, right, if you put it that way, it's correct.

Ayi: That's exactly what was said, not wrong.

Yankee: Yes, but… the direction is wrong.


They then agreed to leave the remaining details for later, so we don’t know conclusively what the relationship is. It’s not guaranteed that the H-20 will carry JL-1.
 

Tomboy

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While I really appreciate the updates from the trio, I hope you guys can post as much of the transcript and translation as possible, or at least a timestamp, instead of just a summary. Their podcast is often very cryptic, where exact phrasings are important and are often open to interpretation.

Timestamp starts at around 34:00
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Yankee: JL-1 — the reason it's made so large is still because the bomber's basic performance sets the limit (he then talks about how the H-6 is inferior to B-52 and Tu-95)

Yankee (a bit later): Because JL-1 caused the H-20 to be redesigned.

Yankee: How should I put it…

Shilao: You've got it backwards.

Ayi: Yeah, it's indeed backwards.

Yankee: Well… it's technically correct.

Shilao: It's… technically correct… but it doesn't mean what you're implying.

Ayi: The exact words were "Because JL-1 caused the H-20 to be redesigned", that's not wrong

Yankee: Right, right, if you put it that way, it's correct.

Ayi: That's exactly what was said, not wrong.

Yankee: Yes, but… the direction is wrong.


They then agreed to leave the remaining details for later, so we don’t know conclusively what the relationship is. It’s not guaranteed that the H-20 will carry JL-1.
It could also simply mean JL-1 exists now, it took over some of the mission requirements from H-20 and hence is now redesigned to account for that. Also, if H-20 do turn out not to be a cruise/ballistic missile carrier would there be another H-30 or whatever that is a Tu-95/B-52 equivalent? H-6 is extremely lacking is basically everything compared to the most modern Tu-95/B-52.
 
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