H-20 bomber (with H-X, JH-XX)

00CuriousObserver

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Can you explain more on what this sentence means?

Is it something like the final form of the H-20 is likely to be different from the how the H-20 has been shown in the PPTs and/or widely anticipated by the PLA observers so far? Or is the actual meaning something else entirely?

Not exactly. It's more like, from Shilao's view, the phase of development of H-20 vs F-47. For example, in 2016 if you see a concept art of H-20, you wouldn't take it very seriously. But if you see it now, you would take it very seriously, because it has been in development for so long. The F-47's art is like the former where it's development is still "early", whereas H-20's (if an art is released today) is the latter

It's basically just saying F-47 has a long way to go while H-20 has already gone a long way
 

mack8

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Well, the H-20 is so far missing from the "cambrian" explosion of next generation PRC combat aircraft. One would think there must have been a major design/requirement change along the way since the apparent delay, and this seems to be the hint from insiders as posted earlier. Since PRC invested so much to one-up the americans in the J-36 and J-50, i would be surprised if they didn't invest the same in H-20 so that it one-ups the american equivalent in at least a major criteria. A rather pedestrian subsonic flying wing just doesn't seem to give them that to me. I'm still hoping it will be something like the supersonic 6 engine design from 2009 iirc, that would be one helluva sight, but i guess we'll have to see.
 

Tomboy

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Well, the H-20 is so far missing from the "cambrian" explosion of next generation PRC combat aircraft. One would think there must have been a major design/requirement change along the way since the apparent delay, and this seems to be the hint from insiders as posted earlier. Since PRC invested so much to one-up the americans in the J-36 and J-50, i would be surprised if they didn't invest the same in H-20 so that it one-ups the american equivalent in at least a major criteria. A rather pedestrian subsonic flying wing just doesn't seem to give them that to me. I'm still hoping it will be something like the supersonic 6 engine design from 2009 iirc, that would be one helluva sight, but i guess we'll have to see.
I do agree with you that a normal subsonic flying wing design wouldn't take *this* long to cook especially when H-20 project should be started in the same approximate time period as all the other "20" projects. Now we are legit seeing J-20 replacement flying all over Chengdu and other advanced derivatives J-20 surface in recent years but still no progress from the H-20 project. However it could be possible that China lacks the experience with large aircrafts thus contributing to the long development time but even this is a bit too long for that reason. If H-20 do indeed turn out to be a supercruising design, IMO it will almost certainly need the efficiency gains of next gen ACE engines to remain competitive range wise without being absolutely humongous. Perhaps it being delayed this long is due to waiting for suitable engines to be built. It is IMO possible that the updated design for H-20 could resemble Lockheed's LRS-A proposal:
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Supposedly a basic wind tunnel model of it posted on SPF

Basically a large VLO supercruising bomber but as we all know this design was not chosen probably due to cost and feasibility concerns but with modern tech like highly efficient ACE engines and more composites allowing lighter airframes it could potentially become more feasible.

But all this is basically my speculation on why the project took so long and with redesigns what it could potentially be so take it with a large spoon of salt.

So it's very possible and likely that H-20 do indeed turn out to be a normal bog standard subsonic flying, but IMO something like this isn't 100 percent impossible especially with the amount of rumored redesigns and "putting it back into the oven" the project has gone through.
 

sunnymaxi

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I do agree with you that a normal subsonic flying wing design wouldn't take *this* long to cook especially when H-20 project should be started in the same approximate time period as all the other "20" projects. Now we are legit seeing J-20 replacement flying all over Chengdu and other advanced derivatives J-20 surface in recent years but still no progress from the H-20 project. However it could be possible that China lacks the experience with large aircrafts thus contributing to the long development time but even this is a bit too long for that reason. If H-20 do indeed turn out to be a supercruising design, IMO it will almost certainly need the efficiency gains of next gen ACE engines to remain competitive range wise without being absolutely humongous. Perhaps it being delayed this long is due to waiting for suitable engines to be built. It is IMO possible that the updated design for H-20 could resemble Lockheed's LRS-A proposal:
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Supposedly a basic wind tunnel model of it posted on SPF

Basically a large VLO supercruising bomber but as we all know this design was not chosen probably due to cost and feasibility concerns but with modern tech like highly efficient ACE engines and more composites allowing lighter airframes it could potentially become more feasible.

But all this is basically my speculation on why the project took so long and with redesigns what it could potentially be so take it with a large spoon of salt.

So it's very possible and likely that H-20 do indeed turn out to be a normal bog standard subsonic flying, but IMO something like this isn't 100 percent impossible especially with the amount of rumored redesigns and "putting it back into the oven" the project has gone through.
i don't think they are planning to use ACE in H-20.. WS-10/WS-15 bypass variant is more than enough to power H-20 bomber.

six WS-15 Engines powered strategic bomber initial design back in 2009 i think.

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A strategic bomber is a much more sensitive project than a fighter, so naturally OPSEC would be much tighter. Revealing a strategic bomber is altogether a completely different matter from revealing a fighter. It would be incorrect to make any assumptions about the H-20's development progress purely based on the fact that so little information is revealed about it. It is highly possible that public revealing may not happen until after the service entry.
 

mack8

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i don't think they are planning to use ACE in H-20.. WS-10/WS-15 bypass variant is more than enough to power H-20 bomber.

six WS-15 Engines powered strategic bomber initial design back in 2009 i think.

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Is that drawing to scale? If that is the case the design is enormous, and literally it looks out of this world. Iirc timescale wise they originate about the same period the J-36 studies started (there is a translation on the forum of the text detailing that, have to find it again)
 
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