H-20 bomber (with H-X, JH-XX)

montyp165

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I think they will try the less ambitious project first, which is a JH-XX.

Because if you can't get something right that you have all the components for, you need to carefully rethink project management, risk and technological maturity, as well as look back at every single thing that used the components in the failed project because now that is under question too.
AI is one particular element in contemporary project development that allows for faster iterative developments, as one can model something before physical prototyping and permit faster comparative analysis of performance of the physical empirical model vs the hypothetical model and preexisting designs/hardware counterparts. This also means throughput testing of components in real time can be performed as opposed to needing to assemble, test, then disassemble hardware for analysis, meaning multiple designs (including aircraft) can be developed simultaneously and at a faster rate too.
 
There is nothing that can scout silently or react quickly based on long range but low resolution data from OTH radar/GEO satellites, search for targets within a 500 km range, kill the target at maximum range, and survive.
Why doe the platform that does the scouting need to be the same platform that does the shooting? What is the benefit of loading a 2000km range missile on a platform with the intent of shooting from 500km? J-20/GJ-11 spotting a target from 500km can easily que in fire from land-based batteries or sea-based platforms located further away.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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Why doe the platform that does the scouting need to be the same platform that does the shooting? What is the benefit of loading a 2000km range missile on a platform with the intent of shooting from 500km? J-20/GJ-11 spotting a target from 500km can easily que in fire from land-based batteries or sea-based platforms located further away.
what are the 2000 km missiles and what is their volume of fire? mainstay of PLAN antiship is still YJ-12/18 which have ~500 km range.

Are you going to solely rely on DF-17/21/26 which are valuable/limited, flies high above the radar horizon, and is targetable by SM-3? Then you put all your eggs in 1 basket.

If you use cruise missiles in a 1st strike, then you have to accept high attrition rates for cruise missile carriers, or delay strikes until you clear the air wing.

what if you need to maintain absolute radio silence?

what about rapidly changing tactical situations or mixed missions i.e. use a PL-21 (that cannot fit on a J-20) to take out an AWACs then follow up with a barrage of ALCMs against an airbase?
 

iBBz

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Is it possible for a VLO bomber to fly through the island chains and back without being detected by the Philippines, Taiwan, Japan and SK without having to go through allied airspace such as Russia and Pakistan? Has this point been discussed here before?
 

FairAndUnbiased

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AI is one particular element in contemporary project development that allows for faster iterative developments, as one can model something before physical prototyping and permit faster comparative analysis of performance of the physical empirical model vs the hypothetical model and preexisting designs/hardware counterparts. This also means throughput testing of components in real time can be performed as opposed to needing to assemble, test, then disassemble hardware for analysis, meaning multiple designs (including aircraft) can be developed simultaneously and at a faster rate too.
has there actually been an example of this approach succeeding in a cleansheet design?
 

Wrought

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Is it possible for a VLO bomber to fly through the island chains and back without being detected by the Philippines, Taiwan, Japan and SK without having to go through allied airspace such as Russia and Pakistan? Has this point been discussed here before?

Even if we had working examples of said VLO bomber, how would you expect anyone to know the answer to that? Literally none of the required specs are public knowledge, and will most likely never be. The best-informed people with access to the most-classified intel are still guessing about the other half of the picture. And that's not even getting to any of the critical variables like which platforms, distributed how, in what density, under what conditions, etc.
 
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minime

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Is it possible for a VLO bomber to fly through the island chains and back without being detected by the Philippines, Taiwan, Japan and SK without having to go through allied airspace such as Russia and Pakistan? Has this point been discussed here before?
That's the goal.
 
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Totoro

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Is it possible for a VLO bomber to fly through the island chains and back without being detected by the Philippines, Taiwan, Japan and SK without having to go through allied airspace such as Russia and Pakistan? Has this point been discussed here before?
Likely not. Providing that list of countries also includes the US. Stealth simply can't work wonders. Even on a large plane, as it flies past a radar, there will be at least a few moments where the radar signature spikes up. That may be more avoidable against certain frequencies, but against various L bands, let alone UHF and longer bands - it's not avoidable. So imagine now flying past not just one such radar, but several radars positioned on the islands, on ships around islands and perhaps on an AEW plane or two. Those flybys would happen over some time, possibly over a half an hour or more. Flashes of a contact here and there, but certainly drawing a line of something going a certain path.
So... yeah, it's likely even the most advanced bombers would still get detected. And partially tracked. Of course, that doesn't mean they'd necessarily get engaged.
And, of course, it works both ways. That's also the reason why US is unlikely to regularly go with its future B-21 deep into China. Or even fly over its coastline.
 

ACuriousPLAFan

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Adding on to explanations by @Totoro and @Wrought:

Stealthy ≠ Invisible to the enemy
Stealthy = Less likely/more difficult to be detected when at shorter distances to the enemy

Being stealthy can indeed do wonders when everyone else has literally zero means of detecting you (that's basically how Saddam's various command centers in Baghdad gone up in smoke in the opening hours of the Desert Storm) - But that simply isn't the case anymore today.

Having the capability to (at least sometimes) reliably detect and track (V)LO targets is certainly a matter of fact for China today. Hence, it should be assumed that the opposing side (namely the US&LC) will also be equipped with similar, if not equivalent capabilities, if not already done so.

Therefore, instead of having H-20s going headlong through the networks of radar and sensor platforms that are lining the 1IC alone, it will have to be done with a throughout combination of efforts across a multitude of dimensions and spectrums through effective integration across various branches of the PLA.
 
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