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Rettam Stacf

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outlaw? ... you are kidding right ... do you think Chinese govt would do nothing?

Trumps is just bluffing, nothing will happen to Huawei, too big to be stopped
Yes and No.

Nothing will happen to Huawei for the next 100 days within which Trump told the American people last Friday that he will delivery 100,000 ventilators either by manufacturing (in the US, doubt it) or source from other means (purchase from China, probably), and after the 22 airlifts of medical supplies from China to the US (reported by NY Times this morning) are completed.

After that, all bets are off.
 

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Yes and No.

Nothing will happen to Huawei for the next 100 days within which Trump told the American people last Friday that he will delivery 100,000 ventilators either by manufacturing (in the US, doubt it) or source from other means (purchase from China, probably), and after the 22 airlifts of medical supplies from China to the US (reported by NY Times this morning) are completed.

After that, all bets are off.
I would extend that to: until a vaccine is deployed or enough of the population has been infected and become immune.

The perverse thing is, if China still expects to be attacked by the US after this is all over, then what incentive does China have to help out the US?
 

Rettam Stacf

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I would extend that to: until a vaccine is deployed or enough of the population has been infected and become immune.

The perverse thing is, if China still expects to be attacked by the US after this is all over, then what incentive does China have to help out the US?
Agree with you on paragraph 1.

As for paragraph 2, there is no incentive not to do it either.

P.S. You may like to read my post #3852 today in the Coronavirus thread.
 

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There's is a big movement in the senate, that's to designated Wuhan as place of origin of the virus and China government cover up. According to some senators, that's that "day of reckoning" post virus, to make China to pay financially for this. The entire US treasury by China will be wiped out. This is the grand scheme US senators are cooking up currently. As the body counts in US keep rising and economy destroyed, that hatred will increased further. Pretty naive to think just because China sent some medical supplies now, that US won't make China pay later on. I could guarantee US will go that route in some form post virus period .

Prosecution of Huawei will continue even if there's pause here and there until China shore up all its weakness.

As long as US perceive China has a weakness, it will keep hammering on it. Depending on US good will is asking for troubles.

The biggest blunder made in recent times was China helping out US 2009 financial crisis by propping up the world economy by spent huge amount on to stimulate the economy and ever since became hugely indebted and purchased more US treasury. As soon as US recovered, it began its campaign against China.
Time after time, China tried to become a good guy and only afterward realized its effort was counterproductive. It should kick its enemy to the curb while its down.

Going back EUV lithography, China still yet to promote it like they promote AI which they made curriculum in college and even highschool level. They think AI will enable to surpass US. "Catchup and pass by through the curve" the famous phase they used. But they don't realize their foundation is very shaky. AI is built upon and relied upon the underlying technology. That's what US targeting.
Still waiting for that moment.
 
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Hendrik_2000

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If American forced China by not paying back the treasury then China can retaliate by nationalizing all the American asset in China which worth a lot . Plus non payment of treasury will undermine the credibility of US financial system with grave repercussion. Who is going to buy the american debt?
Inflation will sky rocket and people will be left with no work . No pension, No welfare No healthcare for the poor. The government will grind to halt.
The latest report show that Wuhan is not the origin of the virus It has been circulating for ages thru small step mutation in order to spread among the human It is not overnight they can infect the human They will have trouble making it a case in open public or world opinion
Not so simple my friend!
 

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There's is a big movement in the senate, that's to designated Wuhan as place of origin of the virus and China government cover up. According to some senators, that's that "day of reckoning" post virus, to make China to pay financially for this. The entire US treasury by China will be wiped out. This is the grand scheme US senators are cooking up currently. As the body counts in US keep rising and economy destroyed, that hatred will increased further. Pretty naive to think just because China sent some medical supplies now, that US won't make China pay later on. I could guarantee US will go that route in some form post virus period .

Prosecution of Huawei will continue even if there's pause here and there until China shore up all its weakness.

As long as US perceive China has a weakness, it will keep hammering on it. Depending on US good will is asking for troubles.

The biggest blunder made in recent times was China helping out US 2009 financial crisis by propping up the world economy by spent huge amount on to stimulate the economy and ever since became hugely indebted and purchased more US treasury. As soon as US recovered, it began its campaign against China.
Time after time, China tried to become a good guy and only afterward realized its effort was counterproductive. It should kick its enemy to the curb while its down.

Going back EUV lithography, China still yet to promote it like they promote AI which they made curriculum in college and even highschool level. They think AI will enable to surpass US. "Catchup and pass by through the curve" the famous phase they used. But they don't realize their foundation is very shaky. AI is built upon and relied upon the underlying technology. That's what US targeting.
Still waiting for that moment.
I never had any illusions that the US was ever going to pay back the debt anyway. Remember a while back even before COVID Trump had toyed with the idea of using debts from loans that the Old China (or more accurately the current Taiwan) had owed to the US before the New China (CCP) had even formed and that as the basis for wiping out the debt that US owes China... if it wasn't COVID it would be something else. I don't honestly believe it would have ever been repaid to China and realistically the Chinese government must have always known that.

April 1st is when the Chinese fully open financial markets to the world/US. So US appears to get hit badly by COVID, then announces the Fed lowers interest rates to basically zero (ZIRP) and then says its going to do unbounded money printing (Infinite Quantitative Easing) and does a one time UBI, all this whilst just in time for the opening of Chinese financial markets per the signed phase one of the so-called Trade War deal....


I believe this is the start of the financial-warfare phase of the US-China trade war after a failed tariff war and a largely unsuccessful tech war (even right now they are still trying to kill Huawei)
 

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. Plus non payment of treasury will undermine the credibility of US financial system with grave repercussion. Who is going to buy the american debt?
I couldn't bet on that, as a lot countries might harbor hatred toward China due to alot of body counts. They might even praise that move against China specifically.

Unless China can decisively to prove the Virus come from US lab.
 

PikeCowboy

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wanted to clarify with those who understand more...

you can't selectively not pay back your treasury bills right because there's an international market for treasury bills and China can just sell those bills to other people on the international market...
 

tidalwave

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wanted to clarify with those who understand more...

you can't selectively not pay back your treasury bills right because there's an international market for treasury bills and China can just sell those bills to other people on the international market...
How it would go down technically is US would freeze that account.
There is no equal value of US govenment assets in China unless you count private US companies investment but they are not the same.
 

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There's is a big movement in the senate, that's to designated Wuhan as place of origin of the virus and China government cover up. According to some senators, that's that "day of reckoning" post virus, to make China to pay financially for this. The entire US treasury by China will be wiped out. This is the grand scheme US senators are cooking up currently. As the body counts in US keep rising and economy destroyed, that hatred will increased further. Pretty naive to think just because China sent some medical supplies now, that US won't make China pay later on. I could guarantee US will go that route in some form post virus period .

Prosecution of Huawei will continue even if there's pause here and there until China shore up all its weakness.

As long as US perceive China has a weakness, it will keep hammering on it. Depending on US good will is asking for troubles.

The biggest blunder made in recent times was China helping out US 2009 financial crisis by propping up the world economy by spent huge amount on to stimulate the economy and ever since became hugely indebted and purchased more US treasury. As soon as US recovered, it began its campaign against China.
Time after time, China tried to become a good guy and only afterward realized its effort was counterproductive. It should kick its enemy to the curb while its down.

Going back EUV lithography, China still yet to promote it like they promote AI which they made curriculum in college and even highschool level. They think AI will enable to surpass US. "Catchup and pass by through the curve" the famous phase they used. But they don't realize their foundation is very shaky. AI is built upon and relied upon the underlying technology. That's what US targeting.
Still waiting for that moment.
I have my doubt here. You talk like a hardline, speculative, politician .Not like a normal unbiased open minded technical specialist.
 
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