Fourth Taiwan Strait Crisis

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FairAndUnbiased

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Also interesting article written by a Japanese on generational gaps and perceptions between the old and younger Japanese. Read on the link:
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So all China has to really do to get Japan on side is to wait out the old timers and get stronger without needlessly escalating tensions (doesn't mean not escalate tensions, but do so only when advantageous).

I'd say given Japanese population boom in the 50s-70s, and how many of the most influential people in Japan were born in the 50s-70s, it could be that Japan's popular opinion shift in the 2030s (people born in the 50s getting too old, people born in the 60s and 70s retiring) would coincide with a big power shift on the ground. Meanwhile those born in the 80s and 90s would be getting into politically active age. By that point Japan is likely to change the status quo to one more favoring China.
 

j17wang

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Don’t know if anyone subconsciously associates it with the CCCP because I really doubt barely anyone even knows what the CCCP stands for. The Western Public has remembered them as the Soviets or USSR alongside countless games, media, etc that basically imprinted the Soviet Union as the USSR and not the CCCP. The only thing they can subconsciously associate is the word communist.

CCCP is cyrillic. It properly translates to SSSR as C is S and and P is R.
 

Nutrient

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If anything, this is an illustrative example of how vital it is that China puts genuine time, effort, and resources into constructing and utilizing an effective outward-facing propaganda apparatus that can influence opinions abroad.

"This is a pointless battle to take." "The enemy are stronger and better established than us anyways."

China really needs this and they need to build this sooner rather than later. It takes time to build institutions, raise media profile, attract talent, and raise public perception and trust in these vectors of propagandistic and diplomatic warfare.

A sustained attempt to convince China to start spreading lying propaganda ("public Relations" or PR). Truth is one of the Middle Kingdom's greatest weapons against the West's fake news; because most countries in the world believe that China tells the truth, they have joined the Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) -- completely disregarding what the US says.

Therefore this guy spends enormous effort to "advise" China to throw away one of its best weapons.
 

clockwork

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Excellent stuff. We should immediately fully subsidise production and flood the American market with our Mexican cartels friends.

I want 10g of fentanyl to cost $1 for our American "friends". It should be cheaper than bottled water and cheaper than food.
We should make sure that every youth, adult, elder are regular consumers of this special Chinese export.

We should make a long term plan to ensure American destruction from within and diminish its techno-economic influence in the far future. Flooding them with Fentanyl is merely the first step, more such "suprises" are in their way
Oh, they should be doing a lot more than that. China even has a good chance of bogging the US down in another quagmire if they do this right.

Arm the cartels. CJNG, Sinaloa, Zetas, I want to see them all standardized on 5.8mm QBZ-95s. Proliferate grenades, rockets, ATGMs, MANPADS, everything. Sell them DJI drones in bulk for flying drugs over the border. You already see incidents like
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regularly, well China should start offering them bounties just like Russia did. 10,000 pesos for every CBP agent sniped. Won't be long before US tanks roll across the border, then China can just start doing what NATO is in Ukraine.

The cartels are already nearly unstoppable, with China's support the US would be completely fucked. Either invade or let themselves be destroyed by an aggressive metastatic cancer.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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So all China has to really do to get Japan on side is to wait out the old timers and get stronger without needlessly escalating tensions (doesn't mean not escalate tensions, but do so only when advantageous).

I'd say given Japanese population boom in the 50s-70s, and how many of the most influential people in Japan were born in the 50s-70s, it could be that Japan's popular opinion shift in the 2030s (people born in the 50s getting too old, people born in the 60s and 70s retiring) would coincide with a big power shift on the ground. Meanwhile those born in the 80s and 90s would be getting into politically active age. By that point Japan is likely to change the status quo to one more favoring China.
Or make babies with the Japanese. It helps with their dwindling pop and the same goes for China who will also experience a drop off in pop if left unattended.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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A sustained attempt to convince China to start spreading lying propaganda ("public Relations" or PR). Truth is one of the Middle Kingdom's greatest weapons against the West's fake news; because most countries in the world believe that China tells the truth, they have joined the Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) -- completely disregarding what the US says.

Therefore this guy spends enormous effort to "advise" China to throw away one of its best weapons.
Used to subscribe to his way of thinking until I saw how Russian media was gutted, decimated rather pretty quickly, and thoroughly.
 

dasCKD

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A sustained attempt to convince China to start spreading lying propaganda ("public Relations" or PR). Truth is one of the Middle Kingdom's greatest weapons against the West's fake news; because most countries in the world believe that China tells the truth, they have joined the Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) -- completely disregarding what the US says.

Therefore this guy spends enormous effort to "advise" China to throw away one of its best weapons.
This is a ridiculous take and a complete corruption and dishonest interpretation of my point. When did I EVER recommend that China should just outright lie to anyone? Is it a lie to say that Adrian Zenz is a gay-hating Christian nationalist lunatic? Is it a lie to say that China wants to reeducate the Uyghur people and minimize the amount of religious extremists hurting and killing Chinese citizens? Are these lies? Do you believe these are lies? If you think what the Chinese government has said is the truth, then shouldn't you want more people to see these truths?

It ultimately doesn't matter how correct the Chinese position is if it can't convince anyone in the western world and Japan of their correctness of their position. What African countries believes matters little when it comes to Taiwan, since they're not the ones who will be sending carriers and airplanes to attack Chinese troops and they're not the ones who have the power to hold back America or Japan or Australia from attacking China and reenforce the separatists. Stop kidding yourself, you're not protecting China's greatest weapons. If you think the truth is China's greatest weapon, then YOU should be the biggest advocate for having China get the truth out there!

Propaganda doesn't mean lying. Propaganda means making sure you can be heard. I am astounded by how blind people continue to be about the importance and strength of propaganda.
 

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apology for slightly off the topic
Not sure if I learnt was correct, but what I heard is that in compare with new drugs, even ice, Opium isn't that attractive
so seriously, I don't understand, it's not that hard to get some real hardcore drug in the US right? how come fentanyl become such a large issue?
someone can please educate me

It only takes a very small amount of fentanyl to kill.

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Where I live, Toronto has over 500 deaths per year due to the opiates, which really is fentanyl. To make a comparison for this city, the murder number every year is about 100 murders. Overdoses causing fatalities are 5x times bigger than the murder rate.

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What the drug dealers do, is they mix in the fentanyl with the other drugs. If they mix too much, then the druggie does not even know what they are consuming. People living on the streets have died, people living in luxury condos have died in the city from fentanly.

A lot of people dying from recreational drug use, is not uncommon in all of North America. Hence, this is an epidemic, according to the health authorities.

Biden's son is an addict. One wrong hit, and he could go too.

Hope he bought a lot of life insurance policies.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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This is a ridiculous take and a complete corruption and dishonest interpretation of my point. When did I EVER recommend that China should just outright lie to anyone? Is it a lie to say that Adrian Zenz is a gay-hating Christian nationalist lunatic? Is it a lie to say that China wants to reeducate the Uyghur people and minimize the amount of religious extremists hurting and killing Chinese citizens? Are these lies? Do you believe these are lies? If you think what the Chinese government has said is the truth, then shouldn't you want more people to see these truths?

It ultimately doesn't matter how correct the Chinese position is if it can't convince anyone in the western world and Japan of their correctness of their position. What African countries believes matters little when it comes to Taiwan, since they're not the ones who will be sending carriers and airplanes to attack Chinese troops and they're not the ones who have the power to hold back America or Japan or Australia from attacking China and reenforce the separatists. Stop kidding yourself, you're not protecting China's greatest weapons. If you think the truth is China's greatest weapon, then YOU should be the biggest advocate for having China get the truth out there!

Propaganda doesn't mean lying. Propaganda means making sure you can be heard. I am astounded by how blind people continue to be about the importance and strength of propaganda.
You're blinded by your own misplaced confidence of your supposed brilliance. Come on man, you think your idea is so enlightened, sophisticated that none can see?

America can manage to invade, impugn other countries reputation without much damage to herself purely due it's HARD POWER status that it earned at the end of WWII. The fact that it was the only major country that were left unscathed from that war ensured that America was able to rewrite the global rules it thus led to facilitate in the New World Order America created. The creation of the U.N. the declaration of human rights was from Eleanor Roosevelt, the IMF, WB, and whole hosts of global institutions not to mention the subsequent NGO's that came to prominence, the evangelical Christians, along with Roman Catholic Church, as part of her efforts to stymied and combat the USSR are what made it possible for America to so throughly capture most of the world's attention, emotional connection. Plus, the language of the world is English, which were paved by America's forefather that is the U.K./England which made it easier for America to establish their version of truth into the world.

You keep harping on media when it isn't merely just the media but it's a whole society/civilizational approach that China has to undertake to upend and break that Western stranglehold to the masses of the world.

But without the Military and economic might of the U.S. none of these railings against China's soft power or incompetent media would be a debate.

It is also the unfortunate reality that China as is now as she was throughout her history has had no interest in colonization or has a messianic objective to sinofarm the world unlike the west. China is only ever interested in enriching, improving the lives of it's people (through TRADE/enterprise ) which are numerous which is also one of the key reasons why China has always been the number 1 economic power in the world for much of her history. And why China is the oldest continuous civilization that still remains to this day.
 
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