Fourth Taiwan Strait Crisis

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ACuriousPLAFan

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Pelosi is just appetizer. China should prepare war in 2025.
We might not have until 2025.

The 2022 Taiwan Policy Bill is going to get passed in the Congress with absolute certainty, sooner or later. That bill would truly and officially goes past China's red line as the USA would de-facto (and semi de-jure) recognizes Taiwan's independence and seperation from China.

The One China Policy would be officially dead by then. Now, it is just "unofficial".

China would most likely be forced to respond with crippling sanctions, followed by blockade, before going through with full-scale AR. It would not be a pleasant experience for everyone.
 
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PopularScience

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We might not have until 2025.

The 2022 Taiwan Bill is going to get passed in the Congress sooner or later. That bill would truly and officially goes past China's red line as it de-facto (and semi de-jure) recognizes Taiwan's independence and seperating from China.

China would most likely be forced to respond with hefty senctions, embargo, blockade, followed by AR. It would not be a pleasant experience for anyone.
US won't act so soon. All semiconductor factories still in Taiwan.
 

BoraTas

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We might not have until 2025.

The 2022 Taiwan Policy Bill is going to get passed in the Congress with absolute certainty, sooner or later. That bill would truly and officially goes past China's red line as the USA would de-facto (and semi de-jure) recognizes Taiwan's independence and seperation from China.

China would most likely be forced to respond with hefty senctions, then blockade, followed by AR. It would not be a pleasant experience for everyone.
Yep. The 2022 Taiwan bill is recognition of Taiwan as a separate entity from China. They just don't call the entity a sovereign state. Which would just be a spot of ink on paper at this point anyways.
 

Nobo

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The 2022 Taiwan Policy Bill is going to get passed in the Congress with absolute certainty, sooner or later. That bill would truly and officially goes past China's red line as the USA would de-facto (and semi de-jure) recognizes Taiwan's independence and seperation from China.

The One China Policy would be officially dead by then. Now, it is just "unofficial".
What will happen if Utopian States "recognizes" Taiwan? Most of population in Utopia can't recognize Utopia on map. China shouldn't concentrate on this bill passing BS. US politicians always want to make headlines by doing something pretending to be important. Just tell them to send their boys in costumes & see what happens. China shouldn't waste time writing warnings on what's happening in US bedroom & bathroom. That's exactly what they are seeking right now, attention, lots of it.
There is no such thing as one china policy, there is only one china. People shouldn't use western words to give them credibility .
 

9dashline

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Xi should extend invitation to his girl and invite her and that kid Joshua Wong and have a sit down and together discuss climate and democracy and like Pompeo said put China on track to be a "normal country"... then hand over the reigns to English Veggie across the strait so that One China ran by Tiawan can finally at long last join the coveted and esteemed list of "advanced freedom loving democracies" and China's 1.4 trillion oppressed can finally see the shining beacon on the hill, with Facebook, Google, and American companies given free reign to enter China and operate at will, and bringing happiness, peace, and prosperity for all...




NOT.
 

ACuriousPLAFan

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US won't act so soon. All semiconductor factories still in Taiwan.
What will happen if Utopian States "recognizes" Taiwan? Most of population in Utopia can't recognize Utopia on map. China shouldn't concentrate on this bill passing BS. US politicians always want to make headlines by doing something pretending to be important. Just tell them to send their boys in costumes & see what happens. China shouldn't waste time writing warnings on what's happening in US bedroom & bathroom. That's exactly what they are seeking right now, attention, lots of it.
There is no such thing as one china policy, there is only one china. People shouldn't use western words to give them credibility .
To be honest, I would not be banking my hope on that.

Firstly, how long does it typically take for a semiconductor factory to become operational from scratch?

Back to the point, however, is that when you have arrogant yet idiotic politicians and policymakers in sufficient numbers who are so eager to sell their countries out for Dark Chocolate brownie points (the current EU being the prime example), that's how you see countries like Ukraine, Germany and the rest of EU going on suicide paths - one being literally, others being figuratively.

Moreover, since they have no problem in bringing their own countries down the dirt, then they would not have any issues bringing the rest of the world down with them either. Just like how the US ambassador to the UN threatened African countries to not buy anything else from Russia other than food several days ago. Like wtf?

What I'm trying to say is if DC still has enough sane people, then China certainly will be afforded the time to wait. But what if there isn't anymore?

Politicians and policymakers who practice realpolitik and pragmatism like Kissinger are a scarce breed in the West nowadays, let alone DC, since literally everyone is so eager to pursuit ideological gains and votes from their voterbase that are none wiser, and thus sponsors from their wealthy oligarchy bosses.

If the US managed to goad China into war against Taiwan (who itself is also goaded to declare formal independence) within the time period until either or both China and the US has enough semiconductor production capabilities being set up to offer as alternatives to the world, the West would have the perfect casus belli to wage both propaganda and physical wars against China, since the world still has major reliance on TSMC chips. They know that by inciting that war, it would be the only chance they have ever got to keep China down and under, even though that would certainly hurt themselves even worse.

Now you ask, what about Pelosi?

Forget about Pelosi, because people would have conveniently forgotten about her by then.

And the world is short on chips? It won't really matter much to these bunch of crazy-enough politicians and policymakers, since fascism has pretty much taken root across the American (and the rest of the Western) establishment - and that they are willing to go to war and destroy everything just so that they can prove their "ideologies" are supreme while sitting on huge piles of cash to play with until their last days.

Same case with N4z1 Germany, but now the fascists have nukes to play with.

That's what I am exactly worried about.
 
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9dashline

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To be honest, I would not be banking my hope on that.

Firstly, how long does it typically take for a semiconductor factory to become operational from scratch?

Back to the point, however, is that when you have arrogant yet idiotic politicians in sufficient numbers who are so eager to sell their countries out for Dark Chocolate brownie points (the current EU being the prime example), that's how you see countries like Ukraine, Germany and the rest of EU going on suicide paths - one being literally, others being figuratively.

Moreover, if they aren't content with bringing their own countries down, they would not have any issues bringing the rest of the world down with them whenever they got their chances. Just like how that US ambassador to the UN threatened African countries to not buy anything else from Russia other than food several days ago. Like wtf?

What I'm trying to say is, if DC still has enough sane people, then China certainly will be afforded the time to wait. But what if there isn't anymore?

Politicians and policymakers who practices realpolitik and pragmatism like Kissinger are a scarce breed in the West nowadays, let alone DC, since literally everyone is so eager to pursuit ideological gains and votes from their voterbase who are none wiser, and thus sponsors from their wealthy oligarchy bosses.

If the US managed to goad China into war against Taiwan (who itself is also goaded to declare formal independence) within the time period until the US has enough semiconductor production capabilities being set up to offer as alternatives to the world, the West would have the perfect casus belli gifted to them in order to wage both propaganda and physical wars against China, since the world still has major reliance on TSMC chips. They know that it would be the only chance they have ever got to keep China down and under, even though that would certainly hurt themselves worse.

Now you ask, what about Pelosi?

Forget about Pelosi, because people would have conveniently forgotten about her by then.

And the world is short on chips? It won't really matter much to these bunch of crazy-enough politicians and policymakers, since fascism has pretty much taken root across the American (and the rest of the West) establishment - and that they are willing to go to war and destroy everything just so that they can prove their "ideologies" are supreme.

Same case with N4z1 Germany, but now the fascists have nukes to play with.

That's what I am exactly worried about.
AUGUST 2022.... its happening
 

PopularScience

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To be honest, I would not be banking my hope on that.

Firstly, how long does it typically take for a semiconductor factory to become operational from scratch?

Back to the point, however, is that when you have arrogant yet idiotic politicians and policymakers in sufficient numbers who are so eager to sell their countries out for Dark Chocolate brownie points (the current EU being the prime example), that's how you see countries like Ukraine, Germany and the rest of EU going on suicide paths - one being literally, others being figuratively.

Moreover, since they have no problem in bringing their own countries down the dirt, then they would not have any issues bringing the rest of the world down with them either. Just like how the US ambassador to the UN threatened African countries to not buy anything else from Russia other than food several days ago. Like wtf?

What I'm trying to say is, if DC still has enough sane people, then China certainly will be afforded the time to wait. But what if there isn't anymore?

Politicians and policymakers who practices realpolitik and pragmatism like Kissinger are a scarce breed in the West nowadays, let alone DC, since literally everyone is so eager to pursuit ideological gains and votes from their voterbase who are none wiser, and thus sponsors from their wealthy oligarchy bosses.

If the US managed to goad China into war against Taiwan (who itself is also goaded to declare formal independence) within the time period until the US has enough semiconductor production capabilities being set up to offer as alternatives to the world, the West would have the perfect casus belli gifted to them in order to wage both propaganda and physical wars against China, since the world still has major reliance on TSMC chips. They know that it would be the only chance they have ever got to keep China down and under, even though that would certainly hurt themselves worse.

Now you ask, what about Pelosi?

Forget about Pelosi, because people would have conveniently forgotten about her by then.

And the world is short on chips? It won't really matter much to these bunch of crazy-enough politicians and policymakers, since fascism has pretty much taken root across the American (and the rest of the Western) establishment - and that they are willing to go to war and destroy everything just so that they can prove their "ideologies" are supreme.

Same case with N4z1 Germany, but now the fascists have nukes to play with.

That's what I am exactly worried about.
18 months from foundation to rooftop. Add another 6 months for machines moving in. Full production in another 2 years.

Total 4 years.
 

vincent

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To be honest, I would not be banking my hope on that.

Firstly, how long does it typically take for a semiconductor factory to become operational from scratch?

Back to the point, however, is that when you have arrogant yet idiotic politicians and policymakers in sufficient numbers who are so eager to sell their countries out for Dark Chocolate brownie points (the current EU being the prime example), that's how you see countries like Ukraine, Germany and the rest of EU going on suicide paths - one being literally, others being figuratively.

Moreover, since they have no problem in bringing their own countries down the dirt, then they would not have any issues bringing the rest of the world down with them either. Just like how the US ambassador to the UN threatened African countries to not buy anything else from Russia other than food several days ago. Like wtf?

What I'm trying to say is, if DC still has enough sane people, then China certainly will be afforded the time to wait. But what if there isn't anymore?

Politicians and policymakers who practices realpolitik and pragmatism like Kissinger are a scarce breed in the West nowadays, let alone DC, since literally everyone is so eager to pursuit ideological gains and votes from their voterbase who are none wiser, and thus sponsors from their wealthy oligarchy bosses.

If the US managed to goad China into war against Taiwan (who itself is also goaded to declare formal independence) within the time period until the US has enough semiconductor production capabilities being set up to offer as alternatives to the world, the West would have the perfect casus belli gifted to them in order to wage both propaganda and physical wars against China, since the world still has major reliance on TSMC chips. They know that it would be the only chance they have ever got to keep China down and under, even though that would certainly hurt themselves worse.

Now you ask, what about Pelosi?

Forget about Pelosi, because people would have conveniently forgotten about her by then.

And the world is short on chips? It won't really matter much to these bunch of crazy-enough politicians and policymakers, since fascism has pretty much taken root across the American (and the rest of the Western) establishment - and that they are willing to go to war and destroy everything just so that they can prove their "ideologies" are supreme.

Same case with N4z1 Germany, but now the fascists have nukes to play with.

That's what I am exactly worried about.
Why would China do anything other than break off diplomatic relations with the US if the it recognizes Taiwan as a country? Should China restart the civil war just because Lithuania switch recognition to Taiwan?

It is what the American does afterward that matters. If it dares to send lots of its troops to the island, then the Chinese government would have to kick out the invaders one way or the other
 
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