FFG 054/054A Thread

[Vlad Plasmius]

Re: Type 054 FFG status

Could the HQ-9 be used or would 054 not be able to use it? Maybe they could make a downgraded version so that it can be most easily adapted to a frigate.

 

[vincelee]

Re: Type 054 FFG status

downgraded version? This isn't an export business. Tor-M1/SA-9/HQ-17 is a SYSTEM, which includes the firecontrol radar and software arguments to the CIC. We are not talking about an S-300 class system, here, where you actually need a large base weight for stability, we're talking about a short range airdefense missile.

 

[adeptitus]

Re: Type 054 FFG status

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Accroding to this, both of these ships are in service. They are currently being evaluated in terms of cpabilities, but its not very clear. Can anyone confirm that both ships are in service? Or are they just acting as test platforms? And does anyone also have any info as to if more hull s are going to be built?

I think a better answer is "yes" to both. The ships are in service and act as test platforms for new technology.

The PLAN ships were very out-dated by western standards a decade ago, so they're catching up by incorporating new systems. It's a fairly conservative approach of building new class of ships in pairs to evaluate the new technology and capability.

I think the PLAN planners realize these new ships are more "stop gap" measures to catch-up than mature platforms for mass/serial production. Some time in the future, when they have something that they're happy with, you'd prolly see a dozen ships of the same class being built.

 

[xihaoli]

Re: Type 054 FFG status

Seeing the HQ-7 autoloader used on the 51b Luhai, and the bare space behind the launcher on the 54s. is there any chance that they may have an automatic reloader? Does anyone also have the speed of the reload speed on the 51b?

If china were to deploy an autoloader, the 54s could be fine with out vls all together. The close range HQ-7 would combine well with the Middle ranged HQ-9 or the S-300F

 

[tphuang]

Re: Type 054 FFG status

I don't think the SAM of 054 is that big of a problem. I don't think 054 was ever designed for air defense. It was supposedly more of an ASW platform (well compared to other PLAN surface fleet that is). And remember, HQ-7 is all China has right now with close-in SAM, China doesn't have something that's compact and accurate as Barak. Once something like that does get developed, then you will see an upgrade in many Chinese surface vessels I guess.

 

[xihaoli]

Re: Type 054 FFG status

Actually, china have developed a few close range missiles in the past, the only problem is that they've all only been used as export items. Take for example the Ly-60 system used on Pakistani frigates, and the mark-41 sea sparrow system used on the type 25 frigates (The ships were build to specs, then installed after delievery)

I also remember a diagram on Cdf that showed a 520 T with some kind of close range missile. There are actually pictures of it here, i for got the name, but i remeber it as a Qw-2 with a large diameter booster.

The 054 frigates might be ASW frigates, by Plan standards anyways........Another testiment to the trully awful Asw of the Plan....although the k-28 is a huge improvement. How do they plan to equip the ships if sinodefence only listed 5 K-28s ordered? This would include one training helo?

 

[MIGleader]

Re: Type 054 FFG status

Sinodefence says the PLAN has seven ka-28s. Thats enough for one on the each 52c, 52b, and sov. When the second 956em sov arrives, it may come with a helicopter. So with this distribution, I'm forced to believe the 54's use the z-9c.

 

[DPRKPTboat]

Re: Type 054 FFG status

It would make more sense moneywise for the 054 to use indigenous heliecopters, it would cost more money to buy ka-28s. But then China may want a more advanced helicopter than the Z-8.

 

[KYli]

Re: Type 054 FFG status

It would make more sense moneywise for the 054 to use indigenous heliecopters, it would cost more money to buy ka-28s. But then China may want a more advanced helicopter than the Z-8.

It should be Z9C for the Navy. The Z10 could be an option, but Z10 built only the Army version now.

 

[Sczepan]

Re: Type 054 FFG status

Range of KA 28 is only 800km with auxiliary fuel; Z-9 have a Range of 1,000 km - and have more max. speed (>300 km/h instead of 250 km/h);
so to me Z-9 looks better for long distance operations;

Z-8 with an ferry range of 830km; combat range 500km (with 3,000kg payload) compared to max payload: 4,000kg by KA-28 should be used by big ships like LPHs, Carriers ....