F-35 Joint Strike Fighter News, Videos and pics Thread

according to Jane's Lockheed Martin open to expanded Japanese involvement in F-35 programme
Lockheed Martin has said it is open to expanding Japanese industry’s involvement in the programme to build and assemble F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) aircraft in the country.

Japanese corporation Mitsubishi Heavy Industries (MHI) unveiled on 5 June its first locally assembled F-35A for the Japan Air Self-Defense Force (JASDF). Using mainly imported parts, the aircraft was put together at MHI’s F-35 Final Assembly and Check Out (FACO) facility in Nagoya, central Japan.

Despite initial efforts in Japan to secure MHI production involvement in the F-35 programme, specifically on the airframe, the corporation has confirmed to Jane’s that it is not manufacturing any components for the aircraft.

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F-18A+ are the more old based to Canary

Spain’s Air Force and Navy have sights set on new American fighter Aircraft

Despite its price tag, officials prefer the F-35 Lightning II to the alternative of more Eurofighters

After investing €10.6 billion on the European fighter plane, it turns out that Spain’s future military aircraft will in all likelihood be American-made. The Spanish Air Force and Navy have their sights set on the
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joint strike fighter, made by Lockheed Martin, to replace the F-18s and vertical take-off Harriers that will be decommissioned halfway through the next decade.
An estimated 45 to 50 aircraft will be required for the Spanish Air Force and another 12 to 15 for the Navy. The program could represent spending of over €6 billion, and more than double that considering the logistical support required to keep the aircraft operational.

There is no alternative for the Navy, if it wants to maintain its naval aviation capacity – the ability to launch air power from a ship. The Navy will have to gradually decommission its remaining AV-8B Harrier II Plus aircraft, and the only planes available on the market capable of Vertical/Short Take Off and Landing (V/STOL) are the F-35s. Without them, the Navy’s flagship Juan Carlos I would be reduced to the category of helicopter carrier.
Of the 86 aircraft currently in service, the ones in the Canary Islands are in most urgent need of replacement

Navy officials are aware that the F-35 is too expensive (between €90 and €130 million a unit, not counting the engine) and that their order of 12 to 15 planes would be too small for any meaningful negotiating margin. But things would be different if the Air Force decided to order the same model, said high-ranking Navy officials.

The future fighter aircraft is one of the priorities of the new Armed Forces Capacity Objective slated for approval before the end of this year, said General Fernando Alejandre, the new chief of the defense staff. The goal is to replace the F-18 fighters, which, together with the Eurofighter and the EF2000, are at the forefront of the Spanish Air Force’s aircraft program.

The F-18 allowed the Air Force to make a quantum leap forward in the 1980s in terms of technological capacity, but the fleet is now 30 years old and most aircraft have more than 5,000 hours of flying under their wings, with the limit set at around 7,000. Of the 86 aircraft currently in service, the ones in the Canary Islands are in most urgent need of replacement, as they have around three years of service left. All the F-18’s will need to be phased out starting in 2025.
Although that may sound like a long time, military sources said that the process to acquire a new fighter plane is very long, meaning that a decision should be reached by 2018 at the latest. “The more we wait, the worse negotiating conditions we will have,” said a source.

Air Force sources said that, even with improvements, the Eurofighter cannot compare with the F-35, a fifth-generation fighter that has integrated sensors on the pilot’s helmet, granting 360-degree vision. They also allege that relying on a single model could make the Air Force vulnerable in the event of a structural problem with the Eurofighters.

The
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is a European program that Spain participates in with a 14% stake, and which creates around 3,000 direct jobs in the country. The F-35 is an American aircraft in whose production process Spain would play an insignificant role. The country was asked to join the F-35 consortium back in the day (along with Britain, The Netherlands, Italy, Australia, Canada, Denmark, Norway and Turkey) but the Defense Ministry declined the invitation.

“The financial contribution was very high, and the industrial return small,” said a source who held a position of responsibility over the matter at the time. “We could not afford to pay for the EF2000 and the F-35 at the same time.”

Given its political, industrial and military implications, the purchase of the armed forces’ future aircraft is one of the most important decisions that Defense Minister María Dolores de Cospedal will have to make. That is, of course, as long as the defense budget increases and
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TerraN_EmpirE

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not sure if you're referring to the question I asked right above Today at 7:18 AM
https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/f-...os-and-pics-thread.t5796/page-497#post-457524
I was.
but if you were, I couldn't get your answer anyway ... I can be only guessing (I don't want to 'distort' your post or nothing) like ... did you perhaps mean a higher payload of older aircraft as compared to F-35??
maybe just my reading comprehension failed
No, F35 In non stealthy configuration has roughly the same payload. I am referring to raw numbers. IE even into the 2030's the fourth gens will still be a pretty good portion of the World's Air Forces.
Maintenance, Repair and upkeep of the stealth coatings and materials is an issue not as much as many claim, but one.
And Tactics, fourth gens can be used as decoys and Bait.
 

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I was.

No, F35 In non stealthy configuration has roughly the same payload. I am referring to raw numbers. IE even into the 2030's the fourth gens will still be a pretty good portion of the World's Air Forces.
Maintenance, Repair and upkeep of the stealth coatings and materials is an issue not as much as many claim, but one.
And Tactics, fourth gens can be used as decoys and Bait.
I'm not so,sure I'd wanna be the decoy or bait doesn't sound like a very long career choice
 
Jun 1, 2017
no pricing inside Pratt & Whitney pitches souped up version of the F-35 engine
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in fact "The new configuration is not funded through current joint strike fighter program of record, but if the F-35 joint program office approves it, the engine could be ready for the second round of upgrades under the Block 4 modernization effort ..."
now Pratt Forges Ahead With F-35 Engine Upgrade Plans, Eyes Next Gen
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Pratt & Whitney reached a new milestone in its road map for upgrading the
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turbofan that powers the Joint Strike Fighter, and is looking to leverage that success to help secure the next generation of fighter propulsion.

The engine maker recently completed key tests of a proposed core upgrade package for the F135, confirming the potential for substantial fuel savings and higher thrust as soon as 2020. Crucially, the improved performance would come at a reasonable price to the U.S. government; the upgraded powerplant is “cost-neutral” from a procurement perspective, says Matthew Bromberg, president of Pratt & Whitney Military Engines.

But the
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is planned to fly far beyond 2020—until 2070, if recent Pentagon estimates prove correct. The fighter will need an engine that can keep pace with technological advancements for the next five decades. For now, as prime contractor on the F-35 powerplant, Pratt has a foothold in current and near-term U.S. fighter propulsion. But as threats and technologies evolve, that may change.

Both Pratt and
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are working under the U.S. Air Force-led Adaptive Engine Technology Demonstration (AETD), as well as the follow-on Adaptive Engine Transition Program (AETP), to test technology for a new generation of fighter engines. Under AETP, Pratt and GE are developing demonstrators—Pratt’s XA101 and GE’s competing XA100—to pave the way for an adaptive, 45,000-lb.-thrust-class combat powerplant, as well as the possible reengining of the JSF.

Hoping to stave off competition from GE and other engine makers, Pratt has framed its F135 upgrade effort as the first step in a long-term plan for fighter propulsion based on adaptive engine technology. That not only refers to the three-stream adaptive cycle that industry is developing, but also adaptive controls, an adaptive sustainment system and eventually perhaps an adaptive core that can handle unique operating pressure ratios, Bromberg says.

Pratt’s F135 modernization plan is envisioned as a seamless bridge to a next-generation fighter engine—the initial core upgrade package, or Growth Option (GO) 1.0, is just the first step.

“As each upgrade becomes available, we will look at taking the elements of that architecture suite and inserting that into the motors as available,” says Bromberg. “Adaptive architecture is the umbrella for the future of fighter engine propulsion, and Growth Option 1.0 will be the first incarnation of upgrading the JSF.”

GO 1.0 represents the first phase in a two-stage improvement road map scenario for the F-35 engine first unveiled in 2015 and promising 6-10% more thrust and a 4-6% fuel-burn reduction (AW&ST April 13-26, 2015, p. 26). It builds on a suite of core technologies evaluated since 2013 under the U.S. Navy-sponsored Fuel Burn Reduction (FBR) program. It also incorporates design improvements developed by Pratt under earlier technology programs including the Air Force-supported component and engine structural assessment research, known as Caesar, which focused on the F135’s predecessor, the
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engine.

Evaluation of the package, which is focused on the high-pressure compressor, turbine and combustor stages, was done using testbed engine FX701-01 at Test Site A3 at Pratt’s West Palm Beach, Florida, facility. Although not a program of record for the F-35, Pratt says risk-reduction work performed on the test rig has proved GO 1.0 can be executed as a low-cost means of improving the aircraft’s range and acceleration.

“We feel very confident that we could launch a program, complete the testing and EMD [engineering, manufacturing and design], and have a production change or retrofit available by 2020,” explains Bromberg. If given “the green light” to begin work on a formal improvement package this year, Bromberg says the development would align with the JSF’s planned Block 4.2 upgrade.

Pratt believes GO 1.0 is attractive to the F-35 community, primarily due to affordability. After the “relatively short” EMD program, the U.S. government would have to swap out the old engine for the new, upgraded system across the fleet, but that could be accomplished on an attrition basis during scheduled depot maintenance.

“We could cut it into production and we could cut it into depot retrofits . . . if you did it on an attrition basis when you are replacing hardware anyway, the cost of the hardware is roughly the same,” Bromberg points out. If the government decides to force a retrofit, it must pay for the core module, but that would be “the incremental cost.”

A key advantage of GO 1.0 is that it fits into the existing sustainment structure for the F-35, including the troubled Autonomic Logistics Information System (ALIS) that provides the maintenance backbone of the fleet.
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has encountered challenges integrating the Pratt engine into the latest ALIS iteration, 2.0.2, and just started delivering the new system to the fleet in April.

“It’s just a drop in part number change and suite of health management tools that will go right into ALIS, so [there are] no changes to ALIS” aside from updating part changes and the new health-monitoring algorithms, says Bromberg. “If you go to a new core it’s an entirely new engine. It requires an entirely new instance of ALIS or a complete upgrade.”

In addition, GO 1.0 is “variant common,” so it can be dropped into any of the three U.S. JSF variants or partner aircraft, Bromberg says.

The second phase of Pratt’s F135 road map, GO 2.0, would incorporate additional adaptive engine technology features in development through Air Force and Navy-supported initiatives, primarily including AETD and AETP. Both Pratt’s XA101 and GE’s XA100 are initially sized for potential application on the F-35.

GO 2.0, which also could include elements of the Navy’s variable cycle advanced technology program, would introduce more radical changes including adaptive features in the low-pressure compressor and turbine. Pratt has said the second upgrade phase has the potential to generate a thrust improvement of up to 15% and as much as a 20% reduction in fuel burn. It could be developed in the next “4-8 years” depending on the timing of the first upgrade and the continuing development of the AETP, Bromberg says.

Similarly Pratt also sees potential for elements of GO 1.0 to pave the way for elements of XA101.

“The primary purpose of the FBR is to test the core, the geometry and the coatings. We feel good about it and it reduces the risk of Growth Option 1.0. But definitely some of the technologies in that core are directly applicable in terms of growth materials and aerodynamic geometry, and that will go into XA101,” Bromberg explains.

Meanwhile, Pratt has started tests of a three-stream fan mounted on an F135 under AETD and is poised to begin evaluation of an all-new core to prove the technology at the heart of its future adaptive engine. The core run is “in front of us, and is further risk reduction for the XA101 program,” says Bromberg. The three-stream fan test engine also is configured with a specially modified augmenter and exhaust system to handle the adaptive-cycle flow demands.

At its core, Pratt’s overall strategy is to provide options for whatever path the Air Force chooses.

“We have this umbrella strategy of adaptive architecture and we will start proving out the technologies one by one,” Bromberg says. “We are trying to provide options to spiral them in at relatively low-risk, low-cost programs.”
 
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Amazing pic of 8th & final UK MBDA ASRAAM test firing from Paveway IV armed F-35B at Pax River
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OK I knew there was some misunderstanding, and you didn't mean sacrificing or something
Manual no.
I recall reading articles about combining 4Gen with F35, and how procedures need to be established for this

But been done before. Although today that is more the Job of Drones.
I've now watched the vid you posted ... so do you perhaps mean 4Gen would be "missile trucks" going over lower-priority targets, to enable more sorties of F35s attacking high-priority targets??

Really I was more thinking along the lines of Escort but you did not seem to get the Idea.
no, I didn't; you may elaborate or perhaps just answer:
here comes a question:

“We’re going to keep fourth generation aircraft into the 2040s,” Goldfein said. “And so what you’ll see in this budget, in addition to buying fifth generation aircraft, is actually modernizing our fourth gen. And here’s what we’ve found when we talk about the fighter inventory; what we found and continue to develop is the ability to fly these aircraft together in a complementary fashion so that fourth gen actually makes fifth gen better and fifth gen makes fourth gen better.”
says who? Chief of Staff of the Air Force
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inside Fiscal 2018 Budget Starts Rebuilding Readiness
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and the question is
how "fourth gen actually makes fifth gen better"?
(please note I'm not asking how "fifth gen makes fourth gen better")
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(of course I can imagine how 1Gen like Sabre could've been vectored by some 4Gen or 5Gen with APAR :) and I'm specifically interested in 4Gen helping 5Gen, not 5Gen helping 4Gen; I'm saying this because you answered in kinda verbatim mode Yesterday at 8:27 AM
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
1st gens and 2nd Gens don't stand a chance. They don't have the Avionics or power to cooperate with the newer fighters. Even when fourth gens are participating you need really a 4.5 with significant Upgrades to Data links, and sensors.
yes missile trucks in some cases.
And What I also meant was partnering fourth and fifth gens to cover each other.
Fourth gens lack stealth but they are needed for some missions like strikes on targets that need heavy external loads well fifth gens have stealth. So partnering a stealth for the escort well the older birds do the bombing. because of stealth enemy assets would only see one part of the package, and attempt to react only to find that they are under attack.
 
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