F-35 Joint Strike Fighter News, Videos and pics Thread

FORBIN

Lieutenant General
Registered Member
Could they not design a feature that allows the pilot to open the gun port manually and keep it open?

Once you are in WVR, the tiny compromise in stealth from an open gun port is not going to matter at all, so wouldn't it be better to allow the pilot the option of keeping the port locked open for the entire length of the engagement to remove that small, but no inconsequential lag time between when a pilot presses his trigger and when shells start flying.

Mind you, since the GAU22 is a Gatling, it needs a short spool up time anyways before it can fire, so maybe that 0.5s delay will still be there even if they have a manual "lock open" function for the gun port.

Already in the current aircrafts there not many things manuals in more with the F-35 :) very few this 0,5 sec in dogfight to consider however at this very close range pilot quality is deteminant the true Jedy appears :cool:

This 25 mm more powerful as 20 mm on F-15/16/22 but they carry much more less rounds 180/220 vs 480/940 a big difference many more or longer bursts.

Some say the F-35A/C gun pod is bad for Stealth ?
Only ready air to air and air to ground also for 2017 LM have many difficulties for commands.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
Gun kills even in WVR moved from the rule in the world wars to a extreme rarity in the modern period. That's not just because of asymmetric conflicts but also the speed of engagements and the proliferation of air to air missiles as well as the limited range of guns. You really have to close with in 3 miles to make a gun kill and then be careful so has not to be fraged by the kill.
As such the delay is actually not a big deal.
 

Air Force Brat

Brigadier
Super Moderator
Already in the current aircrafts there not many things manuals in more with the F-35 :) very few this 0,5 sec in dogfight to consider however at this very close range pilot quality is deteminant the true Jedy appears :cool:

This 25 mm more powerful as 20 mm on F-15/16/22 but they carry much more less rounds 180/220 vs 480/940 a big difference many more or longer bursts.

Some say the F-35A/C gun pod is bad for Stealth ?
Only ready air to air and air to ground also for 2017 LM have many difficulties for commands.

Take a look at that Aussie A bird, loaded down with weapons, and still very, very aerodynamically clean. Maybe you have to be a pilot or engineer to "pick up" on the "killer vibe" this thing throws, this thing is loaded with that "Raptor Mojo". Yes it is heavy, no it will not be as "quick" as a light fighter such as F-16 on pitch transitions.

ANY airplane that will exceed a 50 degree angle of attack is an aerodynamic "freak show" in a good way, this bird was initially pushed to 73 degrees angle of attack??? and recovered with "NO SWEAT", that went so well they decided to go for broke and flew it to 110 degrees angle of attack and recovered it with 0, bad habits or ugly manners. This gentlemen is an airplane that your MOMMA could fight and come out on top of ANY combat aircraft, the Raptor being the exception??

I never thought I would say it, but I would think long and hard before choosing the Raptor over the ThunderHogge II in an aerial Mano-A Mano, so let the critics do their little B and M sessions, but DON'T let a bunch of idiots kill this bird like they did the Raptor. "I Pity the Fool that underestimates this bird" he gonna die with a very "shocked" look frozen like granite on his face! really, when they recover whats left of him, he gonna have the look like those chicks in Horror flicks do??? Frozen on his face!

don't doubt me on this?? 180 rounds are more than plenty, but hey ThunderHogge II driver, he'll have 120 rounds left for the next bad luck dude?
Instead of a Winchester, think more of Quiqley Down Under?? SNIPER!

Oh, and the "Lawn Dart", I wouldn't volunteer to take that out to "play" with it, but with 10 hrs in a real flight simulator??? give me a helmet and a G suit, and I think I could show you some very nice rolls and very steep turns, probably even some nice vertical maneuvers in the F-35? I wouldn't even think of volunteering to do the same in an F-16, Mig-29, or even an SU-27, this is a very "sweet little airplane", not a mean bone in its body, not one!
 
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Jeff Head

General
Registered Member
ANY airplane that will exceed a 50 degree angle of attack is an aerodynamic "freak show" in a good way, this bird was initially pushed to 73 degrees angle of attack??? and recovered with "NO SWEAT", that went so well they decided to go for broke and flew it to 110 degrees angle of attack and recovered it with 0, bad habits or ugly manners. This gentlemen is an airplane that your MOMMA could figh!
Brat, this is exactly right.

Most people want to discount the F-35 ...literally to death if they could.

but she is going to perform a LOT better than the detractors imagine.

At the air show in Mountain Home Idaho last year I spoke to the pilots. They were ecstatic over what they were experiencing with the new bird.

She is going to do just fine...and many of the US allies know it which is why they are lining up for it.

Some short sighted folks try to imply that this is just because it is a US aircraft and the thing being pushed by the so-called military-industrial complex. but I know some of those folks within our allied forces planning groups too. Such a shallow explanation doscounts their own professionalism and their own commitment to their own nation's security.

They are choosing the f-35 because they know how good it is going to be, and what a game changer it is going to be in the airspace.

Anyhow, even with all the sensor fusion, stealth, etc., etc. it has also shown that it can get up in the air and maneuver in ways that will shock a lot of folks.

Time will tell...but we are on a good path with her.

Have their been problems? Of course, as I say, you cannot bring such a cutting edge product to market without them.

Will there be more? Yes, of course, for the same reason.

Is it expensive? Yes...for the same reasons above.

But the prices are coming down just like Lockmart said they would, and the key to that will be to maintain the production queue at the numbers targeted and necessary.

Time will tell.
 

Air Force Brat

Brigadier
Super Moderator
Brat, this is exactly right.

Most people want to discount the F-35 ...literally to death if they could.

but she is going to perform a LOT better than the detractors imagine.

At the air show in Mountain Home Idaho last year I spoke to the pilots. They were ecstatic over what they were experiencing with the new bird.

She is going to do just fine...and many of the US allies know it which is why they are lining up for it.

Some short sighted folks try to imply that this is just because it is a US aircraft and the thing being pushed by the so-called military-industrial complex. but I know some of those folks within our allied forces planning groups too. Such a shallow explanation doscounts their own professionalism and their own commitment to their own nation's security.

They are choosing the f-35 because they know how good it is going to be, and what a game changer it is going to be in the airspace.

Anyhow, even with all the sensor fusion, stealth, etc., etc. it has also shown that it can get up in the air and maneuver in ways that will shock a lot of folks.

Time will tell...but we are on a good path with her.

Have their been problems? Of course, as I say, you cannot bring such a cutting edge product to market without them.

Will there be more? Yes, of course, for the same reason.

Is it expensive? Yes...for the same reasons above.

But the prices are coming down just like Lockmart said they would, and the key to that will be to maintain the production queue at the numbers targeted and necessary.

Time will tell.

Amen, and this airplane does all those things with-out thrust vectoring, on pure aerodynamic performance and almost miraculous FCS, but make no mistake, this airplane capitalizes on all the aerodynamic technology available to date, and wraps them up in a very well harmonized and tuned package. I would love to fly it, just love too??? and I am somewhat risk averse at 59 years old, but I know I could give you a nice little air-show?

No, I wouldn't dream of trying to fight it??? the men and women who will do so are a cut above "mortal humans", but I sure would jump at the opportunity to take it up solo for some fun and games!
 

Brumby

Major
Gun kills even in WVR moved from the rule in the world wars to a extreme rarity in the modern period. That's not just because of asymmetric conflicts but also the speed of engagements and the proliferation of air to air missiles as well as the limited range of guns. You really have to close with in 3 miles to make a gun kill and then be careful so has not to be fraged by the kill.
As such the delay is actually not a big deal.

Can anyone point out when was the last time there was actually a recorded gun kill in a hostile engagement?
 

FORBIN

Lieutenant General
Registered Member
LUKE AIR FORCE BASE

10/10/2015 - LUKE AIR FORCE BASE, Arizona -- As the world's premiere F-35 training base, Luke Air Force Base is constantly growing and improving to provide state-of-the-art training for F-35 Lightning ll pilots and maintainers.

The F-35 is an aircraft with an international footprint unlike any other in history. Currently, Luke has two F-35 squadrons but will eventually be home to six squadrons, all housing partner nations.

The 61st Fighter Squadron became fully operational in June and the 62nd Fighter Squadron received its first primarily assigned aircraft in August.

"The 61st FS is up, running and fully operational," said Lt. Col. David Lercher, 56th Fighter Wing F-35 division chief. "In order to be considered fully operational the squadron must have 24 primarily assigned aircraft."

At the moment, the 61st FS is home to two Australian jets and will receive many more.
"The Australians will have 12 jets here by the middle of 2019," Lercher said.

The 62nd FS is on track to have eight F-35s by the end of 2015 and be fully operational by the end of 2017. They will be home to Norwegian and Italian jets.

"The two Norwegian jets are expected to arrive before the end of the year," Lercher said. "We should expect the first Italian jets to arrive this spring. Eventually, the 62nd FS will have seven Norwegian jets and five Italian jets."

Construction on the 63rd Fighter Squadron is in the works and should be open by the end of 2016.

"The 63rd should get their first airplane by March of 2017," Lercher said. "Turkey will eventually flow into the squadron with their first aircraft arriving mid-2018."

Luke should expect the fourth squadron, which includes the Netherlands and Denmark, early 2019. The fifth squadron will be home to Canada and also open in 2019. The sixth, and final, squadron will open in 2022.

"Luke will eventually be home to seven partner nation pilots and aircraft and house a total of 144 F-35s," Lercher said.

As advanced as the F-35 is, it still doesn't fly itself.

The F-35 Lightning II Academic Training Center will welcome two Italian student pilots, two Norwegian student pilots and a U.S.Marine Corps student pilot Sept. 21. The Marine is here as part of an inter-service pilot exchange program. The goal of the program is to gain a better understanding and appreciation of each service's capabilities and limitations.

A Norwegian student pilot will be the first at Luke to be issued the Generation 3 Helmet-Mounted Display System. Eventually all F-35 pilots will transition to the new helmet. The helmet will be created and issued at the new Luke Pilot Fit Facility.
The PFF opened in March and is operated by Lockheed Martin. All Luke F-35 student pilots receive gear from the PFF and that gear is then used indefinitely, regardless of the service or country the pilot belongs to.

"All the pilots who are flying the F-35 are all wearing the exact same gear," said Keith Geltz, Survitec Group senior field engineer. "The only difference is the number of items each service or country requests."

Some changes are obvious and involve bright orange construction, while other changes are more behind the scenes. Recently the first nine F-35s to arrive at Luke were updated with software to match the more recent aircraft.

"The update was done to give the first aircraft essentially the same capabilities as the rest of the newer jets," said Leslie Flores, Lockheed Martin field support engineer.
Overall, Luke, just like the aircraft it supports, will continue to change.

"The F-35 is a new weapons system, so it's constantly evolving and improving," Lercher said. "I've been working this program for over two years and things are always changing for the better."

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