F-35 Joint Strike Fighter News, Videos and pics Thread

[TerraN_EmpirE]

Reminds me of these beautiful machines.
I hope they even get VLO paints that would allow units to come up with heritage schemes or demonstration teams.
It’s highly doubtful that F22 and F35 VLO would be traded for vanity or because some internet trolls think they are seeing rust. More likely is that this is a counter to thermal buildup and the coating is stealthy. This would make sense as there has been concerns of thermal expansion of the fuel. It would also likely reduce the effectiveness of IR seekers in some angles. It would also explain why it was demonstrated on F117 and Son of Ares before appearing on Raptors and Panthers. Allowing evaluation of how it effects the RCS.

 

[siegecrossbow]

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I hope they even get VLO paints that would allow units to come up with heritage schemes or demonstration teams.
It’s highly doubtful that F22 and F35 VLO would be traded for vanity or because some internet trolls think they are seeing rust. More likely is that this is a counter to thermal buildup and the coating is stealthy. This would make sense as there has been concerns of thermal expansion of the fuel. It would also likely reduce the effectiveness of IR seekers in some angles. It would also explain why it was demonstrated on F117 and Son of Ares before appearing on Raptors and Panthers. Allowing evaluation of how it effects the RCS.

My guess is equal or superior radar absorbing ability with superior IR reduction and maintenance.

 

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[Abominable]

Reminds me of these beautiful machines.View attachment 96926View attachment 96927
I hope they even get VLO paints that would allow units to come up with heritage schemes or demonstration teams.
It’s highly doubtful that F22 and F35 VLO would be traded for vanity or because some internet trolls think they are seeing rust. More likely is that this is a counter to thermal buildup and the coating is stealthy. This would make sense as there has been concerns of thermal expansion of the fuel. It would also likely reduce the effectiveness of IR seekers in some angles. It would also explain why it was demonstrated on F117 and Son of Ares before appearing on Raptors and Panthers. Allowing evaluation of how it effects the RCS.

Cope.

Ferromagnetic compounds are used in the RAM. The marine environment and coupled with poor maintenance means it oxidises, i.e. rusts.

Here's a patent about referring to it by Lockheed Martin.

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I will admit it isn't a structural issue, and not even the biggest criticism of the F-35, which was allowing the Brits to get involved and insist on a STOVL variant. But it is by far the funniest.

 

[siegecrossbow]

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That's going a bit overboard isn't it? I think the electronic components from Huaqiangbei are probably a much bigger concern.

 

[TerraN_EmpirE]

Cope

Troll.
Rust is common on any metallic structure in the marine environment. The question isn’t one of appearance but of radar absorption and deflection.

That's going a bit overboard isn't it? I think the electronic components from Huaqiangbei are probably a much bigger concern.

Is it? As can be seen by European energy markets, if you and a monopoly supplier have a feud. The Supplier can turn off the line creating massive issues. Farther If a substitution was made on F35 components without consolation, it questions on if the substitute is built to specifications. I mean hell sometimes valid bidders who won contracts to produce products for follow on production can’t match the original spec resulting in comprises.

The boards are or were sourced by a Chinese owned firm but manufactured in the UK. If the US found parts from China as opposed to the UK in F35 something like this would be happening. Because the plant is in the UK if a conflict happened it’s entirely possible that the plant could have become nationalized.

 

[siegecrossbow]

Troll.
Rust is common on any metallic structure in the marine environment. The question isn’t one of appearance but of radar absorption and deflection.

Is it? As can be seen by European energy markets, if you and a monopoly supplier have a feud. The Supplier can turn off the line creating massive issues. Farther If a substitution was made on F35 components without consolation, it questions on if the substitute is built to specifications. I mean hell sometimes valid bidders who won contracts to produce products for follow on production can’t match the original spec resulting in comprises.

The boards are or were sourced by a Chinese owned firm but manufactured in the UK. If the US found parts from China as opposed to the UK in F35 something like this would be happening. Because the plant is in the UK if a conflict happened it’s entirely possible that the plant could have become nationalized.

My point is that if the device is not security sensitive and is easily replaceable, it shouldn’t cause such a massive overreaction. Stopping F-35 deliveries will cause a pretty large loss and I don’t think is justifiable for a relatively small issue.

 

[TerraN_EmpirE]

Again the question is are the substitute parts up to spec. F35 is a sophisticated machine with a lot of electrical. If the part isn’t to spec it could hobble the fighter.

 

[Abominable]

Troll.
Rust is common on any metallic structure in the marine environment. The question isn’t one of appearance but of radar absorption and deflection.

You think the RAM will still work once its rusted away? I highly doubt it.

Only iron or steel rusts, I've seen any other modern fighter plane looking like a rust bucket.

My point is that if the device is not security sensitive and is easily replaceable, it shouldn’t cause such a massive overreaction. Stopping F-35 deliveries will cause a pretty large loss and I don’t think is justifiable for a relatively small issue.

I agree, the American response is bizarre. If it's a material supply issue, that's no reason to stop deliveries. Just find an alternative supplier.

I think there's more to the story. Sounds like they wanted to delay delivery and are using this as an excuse.

 

[siegecrossbow]

Again the question is are the substitute parts up to spec. F35 is a sophisticated machine with a lot of electrical. If the part isn’t to spec it could hobble the fighter.

I guess it is a matter of agree to disagree. Even during the Cold War the US used processed titanium from the Soviet Union for aerospace purposes.

A more logical response would be identifying the supply chain issue and work on solving it while the parts are still available. A better one would be making this public after the problem has been solved. Now the Chinese actually knows that there is a supply chain weakness to exploit, and may act on it.