F-35 Joint Strike Fighter News, Videos and pics Thread

TerraN_EmpirE

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Long range and stand off weapons or saturation attacks are effective enough to not even require LO unless we're talking very high end capabilities.
There are limits to Such though. They do well against fixed targets and well identified targets.
But penitration missions are more flexible and able to engage pop up and mobile targets more easily.
Infact just this week rumors rounded that the F117 was dragged out of Retirement for some strike in Syria around 2016-2017 because the Laser guided bombs it used could strike mobile targets where the GPS bombs couldn't until that is the Stormbreaker SDMB2
 

bd popeye

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In Fact just this week rumors rounded that the F117 was dragged out of Retirement

I read that also. As a former active duty US military person I find this hard to believe.

1) It is true that the remaining F-117 are sequestered in a hangar somewhere in the western US..allegedly..

2) These aircraft were retired in 2008. If missions did take place in 2016-'17 that means the aircraft would have to be prepared for a return to service. That means pilots & maintenance crews would have to be rounded up from the USAF & Lockheed.

3) Pilots..jeez. Most of these gents are retired from the USAF, flying civilian aircraft or other USAF aircraft. They would have to be recalled and attend some sort of refresher training..

4)Of course the number of personnel needed would depend on how many aircraft are needs for the mission.

The whole thing is hard for me to believe. Really.

...better get back on topic..humm?

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U.S. Air Force F-16 Viper, F-35 Lighting II and F-22 Raptor fly in formation during the Heritage Flight Course at Davis-Monthan Air Force Base, Ariz., March 2, 2019. The five-day course prepares demonstration team pilots for the upcoming air show season by allowing them time to practice formations with other teams and Heritage Flight aircraft. (U.S. Air Force photo by Staff Sgt. Jensen Stidham)
 
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Pentagon Wants 78 Lockheed F-35s in 2020, Six Fewer Than Planned
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  • Move comes amid push to buy upgraded F-15s from rival Boeing
  • Acting Secretary Shanahan says long-term costs must be pared
The Pentagon will request 78 F-35 jets built by
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, six fewer than previously planned, in the budget expected to be sent to Congress next week, according to defense officials.

The cutback from the 84 fighters projected a year ago for fiscal 2020 is a setback for Lockheed, the No. 1 defense contractor, even as interest in the plane from foreign buyers increases. The officials asked not to be identified in advance of the budget release.

It’s likely to raise questions from skeptical lawmakers about why the Defense Department, which has spent years saying it needs the more advanced F-35, cut back the planned purchases even as the Air Force is seeking money to buy eight new, upgraded F-15 jets from rival
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. They would be the first F-15s the Pentagon bought since 2001.

Among the likely questions is whether Acting Defense Secretary Patrick Shanahan, a former Boeing official, played any part in the decision to buy fewer planes from Lockheed and more from Chicago-based Boeing. However, Shanahan has recused himself from participation in all Boeing matters.

Combat Capability
If recent history is a guide, Congress will increase the F-35 request in the final version of the fiscal 2020 budget. Despite a history of performance setbacks, the F-35 has drawn praise for its flying qualities as the Air Force, the Marine Corps and now the Navy have declared that the aircraft has an initial combat capability. It also retains strong support in Congress as a job creator. Bethesda, Maryland-based Lockheed boasts that it uses 1,500 suppliers in 46 states and more internationally.


For the current year, Congress appropriated $9.34 billion for 93 F-35s, 16 more than requested. For fiscal 2018, lawmakers added 20 F-35s to the 70 requested.

Republican Senator James Inhofe of Oklahoma, chairman of the Armed Services Committee, has said he wants to triple F-35s purchased by 2024, making it the most ambitious procurement request on his agenda for next year.

Shanahan’s Praise
While Shanahan has pledged to stay out of Boeing decisions, he isn’t hesitant to praise the F-35 built by its rival. In an interview last Thursday with Bloomberg News, he sought to make clear he’s a fan.

“What’s really important for people to always take away is I’ve found the aircraft -- the F-35 as a product, its capability and performance -- to be eye-watering. It is high, high-performing -- no ambiguity -- no ifs, ands or buts.”

But Shanahan said he’s focusing on “program execution,” which includes driving down the long-term costs of maintaining and operating the fleet of 2,456 F-35s that the U.S. plans to acquire.

“This is the largest program in DoD history and the cost of sustainment is about the same cost as nuclear modernization,” he said, referring to an estimated price tag of more than $1 trillion over at least several decades, according to the Congressional Budget Office.

Because the F-35 is just entering its decades-long expected service life, he said, “if you were ever going to fix” the sustainment cost and “if you were ever going to realize high performance -- you would do it on the front end. We have a small window.”

‘Big Opportunity’
Shanahan said he has “decades of experience” in managing the costs of operating aircraft, and that his concern about the high costs of operating and maintaining multibillion-dollar weapons systems isn’t limited to Lockheed.


“People write about like it’s” just Lockheed, Shanahan said. “It’s Lockheed, it’s BAE, it’s Northrop,” he said. “There’s a lot of opportunity to achieve higher levels of performance. There’s a big opportunity.”

While that sounds like a long-term agenda, Shanahan hasn’t commented on whether he expects President Donald Trump to nominate him for defense secretary, a job that’s been vacant since Jim Mattis stepped down at the end of last year in protest of the president’s vow to withdraw U.S. troops from Syria.

Compared with the taciturn Mattis, Shanahan has been vocal in supporting Trump’s initiatives, from reducing troops in Syria to using the military to bolster security at the Mexico border. He says his acronym is GSD, for “get stuff done.”

“Let’s not worry about whether he’s a ‘yes man’ or a ‘no man’ but whether he’s a ‘can-do’ man,” Shanahan said of himself in the interview. “I just spend all my time getting stuff done.”
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
read that also. As a former active duty US military person I find this hard to believe.

1) It is true that the remaining F-117 are sequestered in a hangar somewhere in the western US..allegedly..
They are kept in Thonopa air force base Nevada.
A small number have been kept in "ready reserve" they are actually still flown and flight maintained so pilots are around as is maintenance but in small numbers. The USAF didn't take put them under the guillotine like the Navy did the F14.
In any case. Back to F35
 

Air Force Brat

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Long range and stand off weapons or saturation attacks are effective enough to not even require LO unless we're talking very high end capabilities. F-35 can definitely do it all provided this next generation of SEAD ordinance can fit inside its bays. The surprising bit is going in alone to take out enemy aircrafts as well, including stealth/y ones. Not sure how they are confident about this but I doubt they are referring to all the defenses that exist out there. They're not exactly going to say there are certain countries they will potentially struggle with now are they?

That's because they are NOT going to "struggle" with anybody, you and my good friend Master Jura! (who doesn't believe in "L/O"), may conjure up all kinds of "Monsters" in a closet....

Red Flag is designed to tax everybody to their absolute limit on every mission set, note it was 8 F-35's not 1, not 2, not 4, but 8.... you can bet the F-22's who "held the door open" was a 2 ship, the F-35's then retrieved the heavily loaded 4 Gen assets and opened the door for them to proceed with their mission, while the F-22's watched the "back door"...

Nobody runs a 5 Gen Air Force today except the United States, nobody else has the numbers to do that, China has at most 20 J-20's that we can account for at present, the Russians have 12 Su-57s,,,, that's NOT a credible force to blockade US F-22's and F-35's, and its gonna take a hell of a lot of cash and outstanding engineering to pose a credible threat to a 5 Gen Air Force, and of course I'm counting F-35A, B's, and C's..

Our partners are going to be an integral part of that 5 Gen Air Force by virtue of partnering and purchasing the F-35,,, those folks who close that door?? "Canada" are going to be on the second tier team, sad for them....
 

bd popeye

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They are kept in Thonopa air force base Nevada.
A small number have been kept in "ready reserve" they are actually still flown and flight maintained so pilots are around as is maintenance but in small numbers. The USAF didn't take put them under the guillotine like the Navy did the F14.
In any case. Back to F35

Thanks! I did not know that. This knowledge changes the equation to a possibility.
 

ougoah

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That's because they are NOT going to "struggle" with anybody, you and my good friend Master Jura! (who doesn't believe in "L/O"), may conjure up all kinds of "Monsters" in a closet....

Red Flag is designed to tax everybody to their absolute limit on every mission set, note it was 8 F-35's not 1, not 2, not 4, but 8.... you can bet the F-22's who "held the door open" was a 2 ship, the F-35's then retrieved the heavily loaded 4 Gen assets and opened the door for them to proceed with their mission, while the F-22's watched the "back door"...

Nobody runs a 5 Gen Air Force today except the United States, nobody else has the numbers to do that, China has at most 20 J-20's that we can account for at present, the Russians have 12 Su-57s,,,, that's NOT a credible force to blockade US F-22's and F-35's, and its gonna take a hell of a lot of cash and outstanding engineering to pose a credible threat to a 5 Gen Air Force, and of course I'm counting F-35A, B's, and C's..

Our partners are going to be an integral part of that 5 Gen Air Force by virtue of partnering and purchasing the F-35,,, those folks who close that door?? "Canada" are going to be on the second tier team, sad for them....

If this were surely the case, players like China and Russia would have teamed up long ago to develop counters. There are ways of defeating the stealth that exist on F22 and f35. Whether or not these methods are reliable and ubiquitous enough to do so is another question. So even if we assume the worst for non us aligned nations, it's simply a matter of time and hiding your abilities because of course the us will continue to improve on vlo and aim to negate any progress others make.

I seriously doubt the Americans can fly into China or Russia as they please fo as long as they please. Breaking down some defense's and holding the door open for a period of time is definitely possible but j20s should be able to do similar to us bases and fighters in the Pacific... Hold the door open long enough for the rest of the forces to sink USN carriers. It's always impossible in someone's mind. But we'll never see this happen in either case so it's really all chest thumping and talk and will remain as such.

No one talking truly knows what F22 f35 and j-20 are actually capable of and what their national defense's are capable of. So I don't know how you can be so confident in saying no struggle exists for the USAF. That's insanely arrogant for someone who doesn't know even 1% of the real information and gets all the information from online and other speculators with nationalistic agendas. It's like me saying j-20 can help Chinese sink usn. That's a ridiculous statement as well. We don't really know the real numbers of j-20. Our estimates are around 20. Whatever we are thinking based on photos, videos, and foreign journalist claims about engine productions rates, everything is intended to hide the real numbers and mislead. They may not have anywhere near f35 or F22 numbers that's the only thing close to certain about it. In any case China doesn't use j20s or any other conventional weapon to defend itself from us aggression.
 
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Gloire_bb

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the Russians have 12 Su-57s
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These 12 are development articles.
Twelve planes are unique pieces, with different equipment sets, construction and many more.
Only about two of them are 100% complect, and, iirc, not a single one is 100% production representative.
It isn't they aren't combat-capable(for they are), but first "true" combat planes shall appear only this year.
And these aren't going to true operational units just yet either.
 

Air Force Brat

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These 12 are development articles.
Twelve planes are unique pieces, with different equipment sets, construction and many more.
Only about two of them are 100% complect, and, iirc, not a single one is 100% production representative.
It isn't they aren't combat-capable(for they are), but first "true" combat planes shall appear only this year.
And these aren't going to true operational units just yet either.

That's my point exactly, and the Chines likely have another 8 to 12 aircraft at most.... the mission cited in the Red Flag perspective employed 8 F-35 A's to quietly open the door, an F-22 two ship held the door open while the F-35 team retrieved their 4 Gen assets and gave them "cover" as they flew their missions to completion..

The F-35 team then egressed with the 4 Gens while the F-22's flew "rear guard".... the point the author was making is that even as a "player", he was astounded by the layers of defenses, execution and planning that allowed them to enter, perform their mission, and egress the target area.
 

Air Force Brat

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If this were surely the case, players like China and Russia would have teamed up long ago to develop counters.
I seriously doubt the Americans can fly into China or Russia as they please fo as long as they please. Breaking down some defense's and holding the door open for a period of time is definitely possible but j20s should be able to do similar to us bases and fighters in the Pacific... We don't really know the real numbers of j-20. Our estimates are around 20. In any case China doesn't use j20s or any other conventional weapon to defend itself from us aggression.

Russia and China have already "teamed up", look at all the Flanker derivatives sold and manufactured in China just for starters, so Chinese and Russian co-operation go back to well before the advent of the Korean War... the Chinese have done rather well throwing in with the Russians in spite of their occasional and serious differences....

Lets stick to reality here, you are continuing to put words in my mouth, the Red Flag article was citing the incredible capacity that having a 5th Gen Air Force brings to the table, including enabling your 4Gens to fly their specific mission sets with specific and targeted assistance from US 5 Gens....

The 20 or so J-20's would certainly have their hands full against overwhelming numbers of F-22's, F-35A's, B's, and C's, its not clear that there are sufficient numbers of operational aircraft to "quarterback" a 4 Gen team offense against a "Red Team" outlined in the Red Flag exercises....

Neither your? nor my lack of specific knowledge? of every aspect of the modern battlefield, negate any aspect of the author's assessment of the real capability and capacity of the modern US and Western partners 5th Gen Air Forces to conduct an effective air campaign against our adversaries, whom are handicapped by a limited number of 5th Gen aircraft...

This Red Flag very specifically replicated robust numbers of very effective ground to air assets, as well as A2A assets in equal numbers, those assets were neutralized by a force of 8 F-35s, backed up by at least a two ship of F-22's.... which allowed the accompanying aircraft named in the article to effectively fly their missions....

not my opinion, but the accurate honest assessment by a "player" in the Red Flag exercises, I'd pay attention to the "players" on the field, I wouldn't worry about my opinions, LOL
 
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