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The cost estimate battle between
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and the rest of the government continues unabated in
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about the Joint Strike Fighter. The Government Accountability Office says the program will rack up $1.2 billion more in costs than the
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does. And, as has been true in almost all these disagreements, the projections rest on fundamentally different assumptions.

“The program’s projections are based on anticipated test point achievements and not historical data. GAO’s analysis—based on historical F-35 flight test data— indicates that developmental testing could take an additional 12 months (see table below),” GAO says. “These delays could affect the start of the F-35’s initial operational test and evaluation, postpone the Navy’s initial operational capability, and delay the program’s full rate production decision, currently planned for April 2019.

What are the numbers? Program officials say there’s a delay of five months that will cost $532 million to complete the program’s development phase. GAO says it will take 12 months and cost $1.7 billion — more than triple the amount — and about $1.3 billion of that will be needed in fiscal 2018.

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, head of the JPO, in GAO report terms, does not concur. “We do not agree with the GAO’s assessment that an additional billion dollars will be needed to complete SDD. The remaining cost to complete the F-35’s $55 billion development program is estimated to be $2.3 billion – money which was already budgeted for the program. If there is a delay to the completion of SDD, the Department has directed the JPO to maintain the resources necessary to continue SDD flight testing to May 2018,” Bogdan says in a statement. “Should it be necessary for flight testing to go beyond February 2018 to May 2018, the JPO will hold $100 million of Follow-on-Modernization (FoM) funding in fiscal year (FY) 2018 to pay for this added flight testing. Use of this internal funding will result in no impact to any other DoD programs or the Services/DoD’s budget requirements.”

The GAO also wants to delay
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s Request For Proposal “at least until developmental testing is complete and all associated capabilities have been verified to work as intended.”

Bogdan again non-concurs. A delay “will introduce undue delay and negatively impact the warfighter’s ability to counter a wide spectrum of current and evolving Surface-to-Air Missile threats, Integrated Air Defense Systems, as well as current and emerging advanced fighter threats across 12 mission areas identified in the Block 4 Capability Development Document, which was validated by the Joint Requirements Oversight Council on March 21, 2017.” Since the
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have already declared Initial Operational Capability (IOC) for their planes, this becomes particularly important since both services have already deployed their planes to theater bases. Importantly, Bogdan also notes that a delay would affect JSF program partners weapons certification for capabilities unique to their countries.

The bottom line here: the program and GAO disagree.
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, chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, will probably tout the new GAO findings. The program will probably cost more than the program office estimates and less than the GAO predicts. Since pretty much all the program’s metric continue to improve, as the GAO report notes, the program will do pretty well on the Hill.
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GAO warns of one-year, $1.7 billion delay for F-35
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Development testing of the Lockheed Martin F-35 could be delayed by 12 months and cost another $1.7 billion, the US Government Accountability Office (GA0) warns in a new report published on 24 April.

In a report submitted to the US Congress, the GAO says that the F-35’s government managers at the joint programme office (JPO) have adopted an “optimistic” estimate for a five-month delay and $532 million cost overrun to complete Block 3F software, the fifth and final software release to support the 15-year-long system development and demonstration phase of the family of stealth fighters.

GAO’s analysis based on historical data suggests Block 3F testing won’t be complete until May 2018, or 12 months later than currently scheduled. The GAO’s anticipated or cost growth of $1.7 billion would raise overall development programme costs to $56.8 billion, $22.4 billion higher than the original budget at contract award in October 2001.

Development testing of the Lockheed Martin F-35 could be delayed by 12 months and cost another $1.7 billion, the US Government Accountability Office (GA0) warns in a new report published on 24 April.

In a report submitted to the US Congress, the GAO says that the F-35’s government managers at the joint programme office (JPO) have adopted an “optimistic” estimate for a five-month delay and $532 million cost overrun to complete Block 3F software, the fifth and final software release to support the 15-year-long system development and demonstration phase of the family of stealth fighters.

GAO’s analysis based on historical data suggests Block 3F testing won’t be complete until May 2018, or 12 months later than currently scheduled. The GAO’s anticipated or cost growth of $1.7 billion would raise overall development programme costs to $56.8 billion, $22.4 billion higher than the original budget at contract award in October 2001.

If the GAO’s delay materializes, it could drive knock-on delays for initial operational capability of the F-35C variant in Fiscal 2019, starting Block 4 follow-on modernisation in FY2018 and the JPO’s plan to start buying F-35’s in economic order quantities beyond annual procurement lots.

By the end of 2016, the US and partners had ordered a total of 285 F-35s, including 68 by international partners or foreign governments, through the first nine lots of low-rate initial production.

The development phase is scheduled to complete next month, but 10% of the test points remained incomplete as of December.
 

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Come on build more fast

Pentagon Sees Lockheed F-35 Deliveries Falling Behind This Year
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Build 3 my month
The 66 scheduled to be delivered this year


Real world :rolleyes: just for mentionned :cool:

Lockheed F-35's Cost Could Rise by $1 Billion Because of Extra Testing

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now that's something:
Nov 3, 2016
"The Pentagon will need as much as $530 million extra to finish the development phase for Lockheed Martin Corp.’s F-35, ..." etc. inside
The Lockheed F-35 Needs Another Half Billion Dollars
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no hidden fees, huh?
 

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now that's something:
Nov 3, 2016


while now looking at Today at 5:47 AM


and Today at 6:04 AM
no hidden fees, huh?

I've never said that about ANY airplane Bub, they all cost you out the Wazooo, this is a 5th generation aircraft that will absolutely bring overwhelming new capability to the warfighter!

I guess its time I spilled the beans and told you the facts of life, airplanes are like women, they always end up costing you a LOT MORE than you anticipated! no matter how pretty or new they are,,, there are lots and lots of surprises...this is a bleeding edge aircraft, some of the things that it will eventually do?? are well off in the future, and there remains much development yet to be done??

It will keep me and YOU! free as long as we play our cards right,,, LockMart knows what they are doing, they have been doing what they do since long before WW II, I just pray some IDIOT doesn't truncate production as they did the Raptor...

Flying 4th gen aircraft into the airspace of Iran or Syria, probably even North Korea would be a very dangerous proposition, not to mention the two largest communist countries on the planet.. So overachieving is still the only viable option if you want to keep the peace, and I'm gonna put my money on this airplane, until I can get the Raptor back into production! LOL
 
I've never said that about ANY airplane Bub, they all cost you out the Wazooo, ...
cost is one thing, another thing is feeding the public with ... Monday at 9:10 PM
Mar 21, 2017

so
"F-35 Cost Savings: The President’s Negotiations On The F-35 Saved “More Than $700 Million...”
“Defense giant Lockheed Martin has agreed to sell 90 new F-35 fighter jets to the US Defense
Department for $8.5 billion -- a deal that amounts to more than $700 million in savings over the last
batch of aircraft delivered. Lockheed Martin credited President Donald Trump for helping to
‘accelerate negotiations’ and ‘drive down the price’ of what is already the most expensive weapons
program in history.”
(Zachary Cohen, “After Trump Attack, Lockheed Martin Slashes F-35 Cost,” CNN, 2/4/17)"

inside 100 Days Of Accomplishments
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OK, gullible public
 

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I've never said that about ANY airplane Bub, they all cost you out the Wazooo, this is a 5th generation aircraft that will absolutely bring overwhelming new capability to the warfighter!

I guess its time I spilled the beans and told you the facts of life, airplanes are like women, they always end up costing you a LOT MORE than you anticipated! no matter how pretty or new they are,,, there are lots and lots of surprises...this is a bleeding edge aircraft, some of the things that it will eventually do?? are well off in the future, and there remains much development yet to be done??

It will keep me and YOU! free as long as we play our cards right,,, LockMart knows what they are doing, they have been doing what they do since long before WW II, I just pray some IDIOT doesn't truncate production as they did the Raptor...

Flying 4th gen aircraft into the airspace of Iran or Syria, probably even North Korea would be a very dangerous proposition, not to mention the two largest communist countries on the planet.. So overachieving is still the only viable option if you want to keep the peace, and I'm gonna put my money on this airplane, until I can get the Raptor back into production! LOL
LOLOL mainly with the " Honey Badger " ... hehe ;) your government :cool::rolleyes: but u talk but u don' t washing hard the house monitored by him in fact her... of course haha :D

https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/real-life-thread.t6246/page-189#post-448678
Air Force Brat, Apr 19, 2017
 

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GAO: Hold off on F-35 Block 4 Until 3F is Done

The F-35 program should wait until the all-up Block 3F software version is fully developed before asking industry to offer upgrades for future iterations, known as Block IV, and before significantly increasing the fighter’s production rate, the Government Accountability Office said Monday.

In its
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of the F-35, the GAO predicted that 3F testing, which was supposed to wrap up in the fall, will take at least five months longer, and “could take an additional 12 months.”

That would postpone operational test and delay fielding of the Navy F-35C version. Such a delay would also put off achieving full-rate production for all variants, targeted for April 2019, the GAO said. The cost would be $539 million extra for a five-month delay and $1.7 billion more for a full year, according to the report.

The GAO also asserted that moving forward with the Block 4 program would be unwise until the 3F is fully developed and tested. “Completing Block 3F development is essential for a sound business case and warrants funding priority over Block 4 and economic order quantities at this time,” the government watchdog agency said.

It bases its predictions on “historical data” of the F-35 program, which it asserted is the “best practice” way to do it, suggesting that the “anticipated test point achievements” by the system program office are unrealistic.

Although the F-35 SPO could not be reached for comment Monday, program manager Lt. Gen. Christopher Bogdan has recently acknowledged that 3F development could indeed be delayed, but only until May of next year, and he remains optimistic that it could still finish in calendar 2017. He also said that operational test could still begin on time in January 2018 with a smaller-than-planned number of F-35s, if the Pentagon would give the program a waiver to do so.

The 3F version is the last step in achieving the baseline capabilities of the F-35, with all the weapons and electronic warfare capabilities planned for the initial version. The Marine Corps and Air Force declared initial operational capability with the jet in July 2015 and August 2016, respectively, with the Block 3i version of the software. The Navy plans IOC in 2018 with the full-up 3F software iteration.

Service leaders have urged moving forward with Block 4 development plans because of the need to stay ahead of the rapidly advancing threat of adversary air defense systems and aircraft. They also base that suggestion on experience with operational F-35s, which they have said are performing well and meeting or exceeding expectations, even with the transitional 3i software.

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No plans for F-35 to fly at Paris Air Show
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The F-35 will sit out the Paris Air Show this June, the joint program office confirmed Tuesday.

A spokesman for the F-35 Joint Program Office told Defense News that — to his knowledge — the U.S. Air Force and U.S. Marine Corps had not been invited to bring the F-35 to the Paris Air Show this year, and as such the JPO is not planning on making an appearance. The news was first reported by
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The Paris Air Show, held at Le Bourget Airport, and the Farnborough International Airshow, held in England, are the two largest events of their kind in Europe, held on alternating years. It is up to the host nation to invite participants for flight demonstrations, and such planning normally begins half a year or so in advance.

The Marine Corps F-35B made its debut appearance at Farnborough last year, while both the "B" model and the Air Force F-35A flew at the Royal International Air Tattoo, an annual air show in England that precedes Farnborough.

The event was a media extravaganza. Flight demonstrations generated public interest in the Lockheed Martin-manufactured stealth fighter, while top Air Force and Marine Corps officials attending the air tattoo and Farnborough touted the jet’s capabilities.

Unlike the United Kingdom — which is an international partner, customer and steadfast supporter of the F-35 program — France has remained uninterested in the aircraft, investing instead in its indigenous Dassault Rafale.

Although the U.S. government won’t be showing off the F-35, Lockheed Martin almost certainly will make the aircraft a focal point of its marketing during the Paris Air Show. The company is entrenched in talks with Belgium, Finland, Switzerland and Spain about potential purchases of the aircraft.
 
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