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we've had F-35C discussions here recently (EDIT my point of view: Jan 28, 2017 stays :) just I should've included Hawkeyes, I later realized) so this thread for Air Boss: Navy Would Prioritize New Platforms Over Legacy Ones When Funding Readiness
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The Navy aviation community has kept its transition to new aircraft types on track amid years of funding challenges and will prioritize the readiness of those new planes over older ones if needed, the Air Boss told USNI News.

Vice Adm. Mike Shoemaker, commander of Naval Air Forces, said last week at the West 2017 conference that the aviation community has tried to “balance the readiness, the procurement, the modernization aspects of our force. We’ve accepted risk in readiness, and that’s acknowledged, I believe, but we’ve been able to keep that future air wing and our transitions in type/model/series on track.”

Of note, he said, the transition to the EA-18G Growler is complete, the first E-2D Advanced Hawkeye squadron has moved to Japan, and the first fleet replacement squadron of F-35C Lighting II Joint Strike Fighters stood up at Naval Air Station Lemoore, Calif., in January.

Shoemaker told USNI News after his panel presentation that, when it comes to spending limited funding on readiness for these new airplanes versus the older ones, “it’s a great balancing act right now. We’re looking at ways we can ensure that we apply the lessons from the legacy platforms – things that we learned from sustaining and supporting, supply/support – to make sure that we apply those to the newer platforms, E-2D, F-35 as it’s coming down, so we can ensure that they maintain the readiness levels we would expect.”

Asked if that meant that the new platforms were being prioritized over old ones, Shoemaker said, “I would say that’s probably accurate. But again, we’ve still got two legacy Hornet squadrons deployed, one on (aircraft carrier USS George H.W. Bush] and one on (USS Carl Vinson] right now, so we can’t take our eye off that. But I think at least from a Navy perspective … we’ve shrunk down our force to where there’s just four (Hornet) squadrons left, and I think our ability to support them, as well as our reserves and aviators up at Fallon – they’re flying legacy as well – we’ve got some choices and some tradeoffs we can make.”

For example, he said, the service currently owns more Hornets than it needs for those four operational squadrons and the reserve and Naval Aviation Warfighting Development Center. So, the community is looking for “best of breed” airplanes to keep instead of wasting precious maintenance dollars on airplanes that are in worse condition or seem to require more frequent maintenance.

“We’re trying to be smart and efficient in how we apply the legacy readiness dollars versus the new platform readiness dollars,” he said.
“And it’s an ongoing discussion and a tradeoff, but the key piece is applying those lessons to ensure that our most capable forces are ready.”

One major lesson learned likely to be followed going forward is acknowledging the importance of the APN-6 budget line – the aircraft procurement line item that supports “initial outfitting for spares, and it also covers the stock on our shelves on our carriers, our amphibs and also at our shore bases,” Shoemaker said during his panel presentation.

That line item was funded at about 90 percent of the requirement in the early 2000s, about 85 percent just before sequestration hit, around 75 percent since the sequester, and only 71 percent this fiscal year.

“So that’s year on year we’ve kind of been funding less of the requirement, and not surprisingly, not unexpectedly, full mission capable aircraft have come down from 55 percent – we try to work in a band between 50 and 60 (percent) – to less than 30 percent today. That connection’s not hard to make,” he said.

Shoemaker said aviation readiness has been on a steady decline but right now is at its “most acute” since sequestration went into effect and across-the-board cuts were imposed in 2013.

“We don’t like to get back and talk about sequestration, but we dug an incredible readiness divot across the force that we have not filled in yet, and we continue to fly below the glideslope in terms of filling in some key accounts – not just flying hour accounts for us but also readiness enabler accounts” such as the APN-6 spare parts line item. About 20 percent of the total airplanes the Navy owns are considered “non-mission capable – supply” on any given day due to lack of available spare parts, and Shoemaker said “that number continues to grow.”
 
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TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
A point Jura, The Navy has some of the newest Airframes and types of the current services in a number of areas. The E2D is almost a totally new bird, EA18 are brand new and the projected huge overhauls and with the F/A18XT you will see that be even newer. The Navy's upcoming buy of CMV22s and it's MH60 orders are also very new. about the only true Legacy buys are FA18 C/D, T45 Goshhawks C2 Greyhounds and the oldest of the F/A18E/F. The Legacy Hornets are the ones most suffering for age and slated to be retired for F35C. The FA18E/F would be getting extensions though the XT.
 
A point Jura, The Navy has some of the newest Airframes and types of the current services in a number of areas. The E2D is almost a totally new bird, EA18 are brand new and the projected huge overhauls and with the F/A18XT you will see that be even newer. The Navy's upcoming buy of CMV22s and it's MH60 orders are also very new. about the only true Legacy buys are FA18 C/D, T45 Goshhawks C2 Greyhounds and the oldest of the F/A18E/F. The Legacy Hornets are the ones most suffering for age and slated to be retired for F35C. The FA18E/F would be getting extensions though the XT.
I'm somehow unable to place your post ... did you comment on what Vice Admiral Shoemaker said (the post right above), or you perhaps informed me, or made a general point?
 

Air Force Brat

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LOL even the dictionary doesn't help here with "legacy" adjective:
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The older legacy Hornet is the A-D Hornets, not the E and F Super Hornets, we have an excess of airframes for the 4 legacy squadrons, so we have the luxury of "cherry picking" the lowest time, cleanest airframes going forward as we trim those high time, high maintenance airframes from the fleet and put them into the "parts supply line"!

So the maintenance issue while bad, is not quite as dire as it could have been as we are buying EA-18Gs the Growlers will be new, as will several other platforms.
 

Air Force Brat

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OK several categories of "legacy"
(I wouldn't be surprised if the USN sticked to "newest legacy" aircraft instead of pouring money into F-35C, as I indicated: this time I'll skip quoting myself :)

Yes that term is used concurrently for older Hornets and also for any 4, 4+, or 4++ generation aircraft, English is a very confusing language and nuanced for whatever situation arises?? LOL

Misunderstandings do happen all the time? (think the Honey Badger and myself), I say one thing, she hears something completely off the radar??

In any regard, the (ship dudes) and the (aircraft dudes) have always been at war over budget dollars, yes it is absurd for aircraft carrier folks to want to haul around "antique aircraft", like some kind of "old warbird" convention???

some would love to go back to the "Hellcat"???

the Navy will go with the C out of "shame" when those gyrenes start to routinely "kick there arses with those B's and the Marines have to buy some C's as well. The Marines are "on-board" with the F-35 110%, and they will embrace this airplane with a desire approaching "LOVE! BABY!", so yes the poor old legacy Hornets are long overdue for a rest.

The Obama-years have been "starvation" for each and every military branch and even pieces of military branches.
 
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