F-35 Joint Strike Fighter News, Videos and pics Thread
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Yes we get busy for long time with yet 3000 planned presumably later 4 - 5000 yet about 20 countries...
Look these 4 nice birds and these smart arrival
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Beautiful 4 ship, in the diamond formation, I do like the Navy's Big Wing F-35C, it looks right, the USAF A model reminds me a great deal of the F-16, they are both awesome birds, the Navy will be very happy with their C model.
Interesting comment. No one in the USN calls an airplane a ship... we called them "Birds"..and helicopters? Not chopper but Helo or Angel........well the uninformed..non-aviation types, do refer sometimes to Helos as choppers.
An archaic holdover of the term airship, which was almost always used to describe balloons/dirigibles, kept alive no doubt by the multitude of early "flying boats", some of which were very large. Witness the Martin Mars flying boat, of which there were 4, the last of which were recently retired from fire fighting.
In my experience only in describing a formation is the term two ship or four ship used??
perhaps a bit of research would reveal the origins, but even single engine fixed wing aircraft were referred to as a ship.
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after a bit of research the "two ship" is standard Navy or Air Force jargon for the basic element in a combat formation of two aircraft. The element is the standard Navy or USAF formation of two aircraft, and the normal combat configuration is a lead and a wingman, together the lead and wingman present as a two ship.
add another element, or two ship to the formation and you have a four ship, the lead of the initial formation, then becomes the lead of the four ship unless he "passes" the lead to another aircraft.
I'm glad you asked, I'm rather certain that Jeff and I as well as others have used the terms two ship or four ship before, and I'm rather certain that the Marines would likely use Navy jargon, but I wouldn't swear to that.
I would also hazard a guess, that the two ship is an early Naval term that was adopted by the military, much as the word "pilot" was originally a nautical term, adopted by the aviation element to describe a formation.
Jura The idiot
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used to write fancy post like 'a functioning composite picture' in the formation
Feb 7, 2016
credit goes totally to him (I tried to find out if he reposted those sentences, and from where, but apparently they're his ... more creative than a PR Officer
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Searching for USMC comparison with AV-8B and F-18
A bit spotter also sometimes maybe
Searching for USMC comparison with AV-8B and F-18
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Note the C model has an additional 206 square feet of wing, one reason I really like the C and also an indicator of just how heavy this bird is..... the max target airspeed over the fantail is 145knots. To know that they have struggled to stay under 145knts tells us the C-model is a lot of airplane, and that's a lot of bird to "plunk" onto that carrier deck and get stopped.
The A model in comparison is tiny by comparison, with a much shorter span as well, no doubt the A will be the "stealthiest of the three, the fastest of the three, and will pull 2 more Gs than the B model, so the A is likely the most agile of the three aircraft, even with Navy's additional wing area?
Now I want to remind you, that the 145knts is coming aboard with un-expended weapons/ordinance as opposed to "jettisoning" these expensive munitions prior to coming aboard. Saves lots of money, but does pose a risk to the pilot/crew, and raises the speed required from prolly somewhere around 130knts with an empty airplane that is light, that would be my ballpark guestimate?
Both the A and the C carry a LOT of internal fuel, and while specific fuel consumption is likely UP,,,, these girls have a lot more range than their predecessors, in spite of what the negative nabob's have led us to believe.