F-22 Raptor Thread

[Air Force Brat]

No, even the current F-35A is significantly below current Su-57(which essentially is a development aircraft). Furthermore, latter is the most effecient user of available power. Both aerodynamics and vectored thrust cicks in.



It was your average zoom climb, which is obviously impressive from the ground. Even goddamn empty b-787 can perform quite a simillar feat.
All modern fighters can do the same, most of them better actually, thanks to faster acceleration after take off.

F-35 actually had extremely impressive moments(stall, control authority), but they are less "flashy"

I guess we were posting at the same time, yes the B-787 can do that, for a short distance, but no this is NOT a "zoom climb" where you trade airspeed for altitude, in fact the F-35 is "hanging on the Pipe" at very LOW airspeed, in point of fact, I would guess his actual indicated airspeed as he flies by at very high Alpha, close to 50 degrees is right around 100 knots,,, most fighter aircraft will not even "unstick" until around 125 to 140 knts, but he just throttles up and climbs away as he "pulls to the vertical", the aggressively rolls off the top, with a very aggressive full aft positive pitch, into a very tight hard turn to set up the next maneuver...

You wouldn't do this in an F-15, F-14, or even an F-16, and probably not an SU-57 without OVT, but the F-35 is as gentle as a pussy-cat, sweet, not mean, awesome LOCKMART aerodynamics at "work", so like a small F-22, all high lift, and low drama.... very amazing!

and the knowledgeable industry and military people "shut up" after Paris,,, course some others continue to "flap away"....

 

[Jura The idiot]

Thanks for posting, ...

LOL while looking for that screengrab noticed another ...:

it had been inside Jul 22, 2017

ooh la la
"... low speed “Pugachev’s Cobra” transitioning to a tumbling back flip followed by a side-slip to an inverted spin and then a classic recovery gained by pointing the aircraft’s nose to the ground to regain lost energy in exchange for altitude. The entire sequence is flown at altitude that presumably lives little margin for error, making it even more thrilling."

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starts around:

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[Jura The idiot]

noticed GAO: Fix security flaws or anyone will be able to track a F-22

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Some of the military’s most advanced aircraft could be tracked by adversaries with greater precision than radar if security flaws in the latest signal technology aren’t addressed.

The risk is associated with Automatic Dependent Surveillance-Broadcast (ADS-B) Out transponder technology.

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released this month, a 2010 Federal Aviation Administration rule requires all military aircraft to be equipped with ADS-B Out transponders by Jan. 1, 2020 as part of its

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, but neither the Department of Defense nor the FAAhas taken significant steps to mitigate security risks.

Whereas older transponders like the Mode S broadcast an aircraft-specific International Civil Aviation Organization code, squawk code and altitude, ADS-B Out technology provides much more detailed information. An aircraft’s registration number, longitude and latitude, dimensions and velocity are all broadcast by ADS-B Out transponders, allowing anyone with a ADS-B In receiver to track aircraft with more precision than radar.

Using a commercially available receiver, the GAO was able to track several types of military aircraft. The watchdog agency pointed to the risk that adversaries could do the same, and may leverage the technology’s inherent vulnerabilities to launch electronic and cyber attacks against aircraft. Adversaries may also attempt to jam ADS-B Out transmissions to obscure air traffic control and surveillance visibility, or spoof transmissions by creating false signals to confuse monitors.

Furthermore, a 2015 RAND assessment concluded broadcasting detailed, unencrypted information about a fighter aircraft’s position like the stealth F-22 ― which is classified secret ― poses significant security risks to DOD personnel and missions.

With the 2020 deadline approaching, the GAO warns there is an “urgent need” to address these security risks and plan for ADS-B implementation. The GAO explains that while the risks are known, “DOD and FAA have focused on equipping military aircraft with ADS-B technology and have not focused on solving or mitigating security risks from ADS-B.”

Despite knowing of these risks to military missions and security since 2008, DOD and FAA have not approved any of their proposed solutions. Most of the DOD’s proposed fixes, such as masking DOD aircraft identifiers, allowing pilots to turn off ADS-B and exemptions for select aircraft nullify the benefits the technology has to offer.

More precise tracking data could allow for increased air transportation system capacity, enhanced airspace safety, a reduced number of cancellations and delays, lower fuel consumption and even lessen the adverse environmental affects associated with flying.

 

[Air Force Brat]

noticed GAO: Fix security flaws or anyone will be able to track a F-22

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B-U-L-L S-H-I-T! how about absolute BULLSHIT! this is another example of a "supposed defense journalist", who populate TWITTER, (and basically tweet out little stuff that make one another positively "orgasmic"), regurgitating garbage that the GAO "spoon fed them"!

Get it "Regurgitating GARBAGE",,, that's all it is, I'm not going to take the time here to explain the system, or how it works, just to say another Obama Era FAA attempt to limit General Aviation in the United States,, and there a plenty of lawsuits to prove it!

NOW, I have 500 Bucks, US CASHOLA, to the first Sino Defense Forum member, who can post a picture of this equipment actually integrated into the F-22 Raptor! now if you take the bet and can't produce that picture, then YOU! OWE ME! 500 Bucks CASH!

The USAF is NOT broadcasting the position, this morning or any other morning for than matter, on that system, of a single F-22, or F-35 for that matter! this is the DAMNABLY ignorant GAO, (bunch of ignorant Government ACCOUNTANTS), who really don't give a Rat's ASS about F-22s or F-35s or any other US military aircraft, trying to play like they are the smartest people on the internet! (they may be???)

The USAF says we will turn the damn thing off,, but NO, they are trying to manufacture a bunch of "PORK" by encoding, encrypting,, making more equipment that will cost everybody more money, and LIMIT GENERAL AVIATION, and make life miserable for military aviation...

yes, my 1968 Cessna has a "mode C transponder", and YES, I leave it OFF! but and IF I wanted to enter controlled airspace, contact ATC, they would ask me to "squack" a 4 digit code, which I would enter into my transponder, and it would light up their screen with that code and my altitude!

but this is more "Gotcha Reporting!",,, you know the kind that makes it "AUTHOR FAMOUS!",, really sorry for the RANT, but I am SO SICK of this nonsense, day in, day out, put out by a bunch of political hacks, to disgrace and defame, anyone or anything that's honorable and virtuous, starting with the US military!

NOW! I'm logging OFF! mods feel free to do what ever you want,,,, with this, I am just so tired of this KRAP!

 

[Jura The idiot]

B-U-L-L S-H-I-T! how about absolute BULLSHIT! this is another example of a "supposed defense journalist", who populate TWITTER, (and basically tweet out little stuff that make one another positively "orgasmic"), regurgitating garbage that the GAO "spoon fed them"!

Get it "Regurgitating GARBAGE",,, that's all it is, I'm not going to take the time here to explain the system, or how it works, just to say another Obama Era FAA attempt to limit General Aviation in the United States,, and there a plenty of lawsuits to prove it!

NOW, I have 500 Bucks, US CASHOLA, to the first Sino Defense Forum member, who can post a picture of this equipment actually integrated into the F-22 Raptor! now if you take the bet and can't produce that picture, then YOU! OWE ME! 500 Bucks CASH!

The USAF is NOT broadcasting the position, this morning or any other morning for than matter, on that system, of a single F-22, or F-35 for that matter! this is the DAMNABLY ignorant GAO, (bunch of ignorant Government ACCOUNTANTS), who really don't give a Rat's ASS about F-22s or F-35s or any other US military aircraft, trying to play like they are the smartest people on the internet! (they may be???)

The USAF says we will turn the damn thing off,, but NO, they are trying to manufacture a bunch of "PORK" by encoding, encrypting,, making more equipment that will cost everybody more money, and LIMIT GENERAL AVIATION, and make life miserable for military aviation...

yes, my 1968 Cessna has a "mode C transponder", and YES, I leave it OFF! but and IF I wanted to enter controlled airspace, contact ATC, they would ask me to "squack" a 4 digit code, which I would enter into my transponder, and it would light up their screen with that code and my altitude!

but this is more "Gotcha Reporting!",,, you know the kind that makes it "AUTHOR FAMOUS!",, really sorry for the RANT, but I am SO SICK of this nonsense, day in, day out, put out by a bunch of political hacks, to disgrace and defame, anyone or anything that's honorable and virtuous, starting with the US military!

NOW! I'm logging OFF! mods feel free to do what ever you want,,,, with this, I am just so tired of this KRAP!

Brother I'm sorry the article set you off

 

[Air Force Brat]

Brother I'm sorry the article set you off

Yeah! me too! It did trip my trigger, especially since NO F-22 on the planet has been equipped with this system yet?? and while our US military have their fair share of "screw ups",, this is just the gutless, ignorant GAO grandstanding on their stoopidity...

No pilot wants to have a mid-air, that's why F-22's and F-35's wear a lunzberg lens when they are mixing it up with commercial or heavy military air traffic,,, and there have been way to many mid-airs, even aircraft under positive control....

but for the GAO to manufacture a story line, to make USAF look bad, and the GAO to be the "Hero", that's krap, and a good reporter would know that, but they this publish this trash anyway!

anyway, its mainly another infringement on our freedom, by an increasingly tyrannical socialist government, that is far more concerned about average citizens exercising their right to privacy, than they are about air-safety, or keeping the flying public safe,,, two things that I also care very dearly about.

sorry

 

[Jura The idiot]

... lunzberg lens ...

LOL I think the spelling is different OK I'll try and won't edit:
Luneburg

 

[Jura The idiot]

LOL gotcha:

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but now I hope that's what you actually meant
LOL!

 

[Air Force Brat]

LOL gotcha:

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but now I hope that's what you actually meant
LOL!

that's it my friend! I still like my spelling much better, but Mr. Luneburg might not!

 

[Jura The idiot]

that's it my friend! I still like my spelling much better, but Mr. Luneburg might not!

aviation names starting with L ... Linbergh, Lavochkin
LOL!