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View attachment 52802 We have two mock ups.
This is the Turkish TF-X. Note the conventional 4 poster tail like F22 or F35 or FC31. You can clearly see the Turkish flag on the Stab.

Then you have the Euro mock up for a sixth gen.... supposedly
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Note the pelican tail swept back wings and no markings.
Looks like the Germans pushed out the French design which had a tailless configuration presented in October last year.




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I think the Spanish Navy is better than the German. More capabilities in ships. The German Navy is good for what it was designed to do, operate in the Baltic.


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Many forces canibalize for parts to keep operating assets in working conditions. Well secondary assets may suffer that’s their lot in life.
Many forces *without the adapted budget and capabilities to operate and maintain such fleets. The Daring class are not secondary assets. They are the only ships that make the surface combatant fleet relevant.
Depends on what do you want to have from your navy.
ironically, their newest acquisition had been designed for catching Migrants

("It is designed to meet the requirements of our Navy in current and future missions, such as fighting piracy or monitoring movements of refugees in the Mediterranean." in politically correct language;
something like a half of a year endurance (!)
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just later Frau Merkel invited Migrants to Germany

Yesterday at 9:43 PM
one of the most ridiculous vessels I've heard of,
F125 Baden-Württemberg: Germany's Most Modern Frigate Enters Service
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and how elegant, LOL!


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ironically, their newest acquisition had been designed for catching Migrants
IIrc, germans complained what they have to keep Braunshweig-class corvettes on station in the Mediterranean for extended patrols, and it is neither good use of asset nor any good experience for the crew.

This time they're going to get one hell of a Braunshweig!
May 16, 2019
Apr 15, 2019
Repairs of sunken Norwegian frigate would cost well over $1B, inquiry finds
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Sunken Norwegian navy frigate Helge Ingstad to be discarded due to cost
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according to the source I don't know
Norway said that due to cost consideration and uncertainty in reparation it would discard its damaged KNM Helge Ingstad.

"The government has now decided that it is more appropriate to dispose of KNM Helge Ingstad than to repair it," Norwegian Minister of Defense Frank Bakke-Jensen said in a statement.

According to the Ministry of Defense, the cost of reparation was estimated to be between 12 billion kroner (1.4 billion U.S. dollars) and 14 billion kroner (1.6 billion U.S. dollars), while building a similar vessel would cost 11-13 billion kroner.

Bakke-Jensen said the disposal of the navy frigate will have significant consequences for Norway's defense.

"We have large sea areas and a long coastline. Good control at sea is absolutely essential in the defense of the country. Therefore, we have been aware all the way that the capacity represented by KNM Helge Ingstad must be re-established," he said.

The ministry will therefore search for military advice from Norwegian Chief of Defense Haakon Bruun-Hanssen on how the operational capacity can be replaced, Bakke-Jensen said.

Meanwhile, the Armed Forces have already implemented measures to maintain operational capability in the short term, including the use of double crews on the other vessels in operation.

The Norwegian navy's frigate KNM Helge Ingstad collided with the Malta-registered oil tanker Sola TS on Nov. 8. near Bergen, Norway.

In late November, investigators ruled out technical errors in the collision, saying the "preliminary assessment is that the accident was not caused by any single act or event, but can be explained by a series of interacting complex factors and circumstances."

In late February, Norway started the operation to raise the sunken KNM Helge Ingstad frigate and the vessel arrived at the Haakonsvern naval base in early March.


There is no such thing as a FCAS design at this point. The technical design study is now running for two years to determine the technical requirements.
The FCAS is a system The division of responsibilities is that the French would focus on the NGF and the Germans on the networked systems Up to and until the Paris air show, the French had a tailless NGF in its presentation. That has changed and that is a fact. You may not agree that the Germans had a hand in it and that is fine but that doesn't change the fact that as of the Paris air show, the tailless configuration is out.