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Dec 19, 2018
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"The Royal Norwegian Navy has removed all torpedoes remaining in the sunken Helge Ingstad frigate, an ignoble end for the multimillion-dollar ship that sank in an avoidable collision last November. ..." etc., it's in Facebook:
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This reminds of an old James Bond film where the villain and his band of goons were trying to steal some weapons from a sunken war ship.:)
 
This reminds of an old James Bond film where the villain and his band of goons were trying to steal some weapons from a sunken war ship.:)
it's funny what you said, but what's not funny is they blasted several million I mean the torps Yesterday at 9:48 PM
some time ago I've read somewhere an entry price (if some Navy wanted to purchase only like dozen) of a lightweight torp could be as high as two million Euros!
heavyweight approaches ten million dollars (LOL)
 

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France and Germany to launch first contracts on future combat jets

France and Germany will on Wednesday (6 February) announce a 65 million euros contract financed equally by both countries over two years as the first act of the joint programme to design a next-generation combat jet, a French army source said.

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TerraN_EmpirE

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Spain is hardly a deal breaker. BAE is partnered with Leonardo for Tempest that means potential for Italy. If then then can pull another international buyer things could heat up.
 
... BAE is partnered with Leonardo for Tempest that means potential for Italy. ...
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Taking sides: Italian defense industry rep attacks Franco-German fighter deal
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on a next-generation fighter are an affront to Italy and will weaken the European Union, according to the head of an Italian defense industry association.

In a strong attack on the Future Air Combat System, or FCAS, deal, Guido Crosetto told Defense News that Italy would seek closer ties with the U.K. as a consequence, despite the U.K.’s pending exit from the EU.

“The fighter deal between Germany and France leaves all others on the margins. And since the only other country with equal industrial capabilities is Italy, the deal is clearly against Italy,” he said.

“Have France and Germany tried to get the Italy involved? It doesn’t look that way,” he added. “Additionally, if two European stakeholders strike deals together, how should the others react? This risks weakening the EU, while giving more justification to those trying to weaken the EU.”

Crosetto is the head of the Italian defense industry association AIAD.

After signing to pursue a joint fighter last year, France and Germany this month awarded home players Airbus and Dassault a first contract for a concept study worth €65 million (U.S. $73 million), while Safran Aircraft Engines and MTU Aero Engines announced a partnership to supply propulsion.

The FCAS program covers both manned and unmanned aircraft, which are due in service from 2040 to replace French Rafale fighters and Eurofighters currently flown by Germany.

Showing that Paris and Berlin do want additional partners, Spain signed up Feb. 14, stating it would become an equal partner on the program.

But in the belief that Germany and France will call the shots, Crosetto said Italy would do well to sign up with the U.K. to work on the British future fighter known as Tempest.

“A jilted partner has the right to look around for other partners, and the U.K. has asked us to join Tempest,” he said.

Italy’s junior defense minister, Angelo Tofalo, said in December that the country “needed to enter the program immediately.”

Crosetto said he was not alarmed by the potential difficulty of doing business with the U.K. if and when it leaves the European customs union, which is due to happen this year. The split will be a headache for Italy’s defense champion Leonardo, which owns facilities in the U.K. and would spearhead Italy’s work on Tempest.

“Brexit would mean more red tape for Leonardo but would not be a difficulty — the Italy-U.K. relationship would remain very positive,” he said.

As Germany and France signal progress on FCAS, they are also drawing closer politically in the face of Brexit and the rise of populist governments in Europe, including in Italy.

Last month, Italian Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte told Italian daily Corriere della Sera he was upset by France’s offer to Germany to get it a permanent seat at the U.N. Security Council, despite long-term plans in Europe to give a new seat to the EU, and not to an individual country.

Italy is already involved in a row with France over migrant quotas and Italian support for the gilet jaunes protesters in France, which have targeted the government of Emmanuel Macron.

Crosetto said the current rift with Paris was not a cause of Italy’s being sidelined on the fighter deal. “That predates the recent rows,” he said.

The new Franco-German tie-up suggests the two countries will now look to work together on joint programs that can draw on cash made available by the new European Defence Fund, possibly isolating Italy.

Crosetto said the Italian government was now obliged to invest more heavily in Italy’s defense industry to make it more competitive and better able to grab slices of the funding.

“Industry now needs the government to invest more,” he said.
 

Pmichael

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Equal industrial capabilities is rich coming from Italy when France and Germany have the two largest aerospace industries in Europe.

And there is a massive gap to Italy. The Tempest is pretty much destined to fail with the lack of partners, even if Italy joins the industrial capacity and budget isn't there for such a project. This is just drama to get a possible good share of the FCAS program.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

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The UK has a a substantial industrial base on its own, like most of Europe they have to count pennies yes.
But Germany and France have there own budget issues.
France and Germany have the two largest aerospace industries in Europe.
yes they do but then again the UK has in the past operated its own capabilities and still sits near the top of the list easily #3 Italy #4 Spain is civil aviation their military is no where to be found. They buy from everyone else and in small numbers. That military capabilities they had were sold off to Airbus
budget isn't there for such a project
Not to long ago the German army was issuing painted broom sticks to training units to stand in for machine gun barrels that they couldn't afford.

France right now is in financial trouble and has been enacting Austerity measures this most visibly took the form of the yellow vests riots.
Germany and France however created this fighter and tank program in a move to centralize European military power and R&D between Germany and France. Who in many ways already centralized the EU power base into a Franco-Gemanic Empire.
This move might face kick back from EU and NATO states who prefer there own industrial bases and prefer not to take orders from Berlin or Paris.
Increasingly the Eastern NATO states those who peeled off the former Warsaw pact have been placing pressure to get more power and there interests and voices heard.
We can see this in the Russia divide. Where Germany is pro Russian investment and Poland and the Eastern states don't want Russian interests ahead of there own.

The UK also seems to have been on a similar mind to this and traditionally has maintained there own military industrial complex and maintained only observer status in the EU to hold some measure of its own statehood. Even beyond that The UK exports more to the EU than the EU does to the UK.

Worst comes to worst the fall back for the UK and Italy Tempest doesn't automatically fall to the FCAS it could still go to the US F/A-XX which is more multi role and more inline with the Objectives laid out (vs F-X) Remember the US and UK have a tighter relationship than most mil to mils sometimes tighter than the US-Canada relationship and we are joined to them at the hip.
When either the British or US has a new military technology not even nessisarily ready for export one of the first partner offers goes to the other. Cobham armor on the Abrams, President Reagan's offer of F117, And the JSF partnership where as much as the USAF or USMC the Brits were given a seat at the table for F35B. X35B and X32B were flown by British pilots no other partner had that.
 
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