Europe Refugee Crisis
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Jura The idiot
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there're perhaps even more important questions like
What to do about Political Correctness of Main Stream Media?
I'll pull one sentence from another Thread, poster:
to illustrate what I mean (I happened to hear the same from a private TV station here, thanks again Scratch!), actually the successive sentences are also very interesting:
... could it be somebody tried to spin the events?!
Somehow there seems to be a rather large goup of people living in a social candy land in their minds. No humans are evil, excapt those at home not in agreement with them. They also believe in "cultural insignificance", if that makes sense and want to bring in whatever they can find, since everything that comes from the outside is always good. Something along those lines. And off that lives almost a refugee industry.
Now to maintain that illusion, everyone raising issues is to be subdued, as raising those things will only support the bad right haters. Which there are. Now the thing is the knowledge of those serious things trying to be covered up are indeed reenforcing those who have long since said we're being lied to about immigration etc.
By now it may have gone to an extent that could prove irrecoverable. We shall see...
Now to maintain that illusion, everyone raising issues is to be subdued, as raising those things will only support the bad right haters. Which there are. Now the thing is the knowledge of those serious things trying to be covered up are indeed reenforcing those who have long since said we're being lied to about immigration etc.
By now it may have gone to an extent that could prove irrecoverable. We shall see...
Jura The idiot
General
hey Scratch
Angela Merkel faces new rebellion over refugees
More than 40 MPs from Angela Merkel's Christian Democrat party sign petition calling for Germany's borders to be closed to asylum seekers
source:
There are reports of the mood being really poor at the party base and representatives of her party feeling the pressure in their consituency. I guess their fear of not being reelected by the public is now a lot bigger than not being put up again by the party.
solarz
Brigadier
The Europeans seem to be operating under two delusions when it comes to Syrian refugees:
1- They don't seem to believe that they need to adapt when a large number of immigrants enter their society in a short amount of time
2- They think they have a choice on whether or not to accept these refugees
There's a very strong practical incentive for Germany to take up the burden of these refugees, and it has nothing to do with humanitarian concerns. The simple reality is that if Germany doesn't take the lead on this, the EU is finished. If Europe doesn't peacefully integrate all these people, they will be creating the world's largest recruiting ground for ISIS and al-Qaida, right on their own door steps.
Brumby
Major
I think you are conflating between accommodating and adapting. A host country provides a range of support services to integrate them with the view that it would provide a better future for them and that eventually they become productive participants in their society. A country do not adapt their society like changing the rule of law because the immigrants come from different culture, have different values and or that Sharia law takes precedent.
Border control is a basic tenet of sovereignty. Yes they do have a choice.
I disagree but it is for you to make the case.
Selecting a talking point doesn't make a case.
Jura The idiot
General
oh you bet "Europeans" have a choice whether to let their countries flooded, or keep the plague out!
for your information, even internal borders of the Schengen area can be closed on the basis of so called safeguard clause!
by the way sometime this September or so, the Czech Government called in a snap exercise to see what would actually happen when Police coordinated with soldiers from a nearby Military Base were ordered to close certain part (in fact quite large) of the Austrian border; now speaking from memory, it took too long (five hours and a half, they hoped in three?) to get the soldiers into position (because it was on Police to bus them there, and there were glitches), and then there were problems in the procedure of stopping/searching the cars, the Government promised they would work on it ... it's just a TV info anyway, but not all Schengen countries have to follow the madness of Mrs. Merkel! that's the point
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now I accidentally noticed as far as at the Philippines noticed that madness, the source is The Manila Times (I knew this indeed had happened yesterday):
German town sends refugee bus to Merkel’s office
it ends with
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solarz
Brigadier
And what do you think would happen if all these refugees were denied entry into EU countries? Over a million people have now risked their lives to reach Europe, and millions more are on their way. Do you think they would just peacefully turn around and go home? Or do you propose putting them all in refugee camps for the next 50 years ala Palestine 2.0?
Angela Merkel is the one of the few sane and sober politicians in EU right now. If you're gonna talk about madness, how about we go back to 2011 with the military intervention in Libya? Europe sowed the wind, now it's time to reap the whirlwind. Closing your eyes and covering your ears won't help one bit.