Discussing Biden's Potential China Policy

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Hendrik_2000

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Well seem like Chinese netizen applaud Yang Jieji performance. Ok I know some people does not GIF but I make just 1 exception don't bitch
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Netizens applaud Chinese delegation’s sharp response to US at Alaska talks
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Published: Mar 19, 2021 10:02 PM Updated: Mar 20, 2021 03:55 PM

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Chinese netizens applauded the sharp counterattack by the Chinese delegation in responding to the US side's arrogance and aggression at the
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on Friday. Chinese diplomats' hardline stance shows their determination and confidence in protecting the interests of today's China, netizens said.

In the face
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at the talks, the hard-hitting remarks of the Chinese delegation - such as "the US side is not qualified to speak to China from a position of strength" - excited Chinese netizens on Friday, many of whom said they were very proud to see their motherland and its diplomats becoming more powerful and dauntless day by day.​
 

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Seem like Blinken and co effort to corralled India and Soko into China containment, fell on deaf ear
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US attempt to unite Asian allies against China fails to live up to expectations: observers
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Published: Mar 21, 2021 10:32 PM Updated: Mar 21, 2021 10:25 PM

US Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin (left) and Indian Defence Minister Rajnath Singh address a joint media briefing held in New Delhi on Friday. Photo: AFP

The US' attempt to build an Asian alliance to counter China has proved bleaker than expected, perhaps even fizzling out, after two of the three countries, India and South Korea, were reluctant to directly point fingers at China in their joint statement with the US, despite Washington's hard sell of the "China threat" theory, said Chinese observers.

During the Asia tour of US Secretary of State Anthony Blinken and Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin, Japan stood out as it was eager to prove itself as "the vanguard" of the US alliance in attacking China in the India-Pacific region. Yet observers warned that Tokyo's move to serve as a political "toady" of Washington while it eyes economic benefits from Beijing, is "cheap and sneaky" and will surely be countered by China.

China was absent from the joint statement issued between US and Indian defense chiefs. In India, Austin's last stop in his Asian trip, his discussion with his Indian counterpart Rajnath Singh centered mainly on military cooperation between the two. India's border disputes with China were also mentioned.

Speaking at a special briefing after holding talks with Singh, Austin said on Saturday that the US does not think that "India and China were at war" and that Washington will continue to work with "like-minded countries" to ensure the right things are done to maintain peace.

The situation is similar when Austin told his South Korean counterpart Suh Wook that the US alliance with South Korea is ever more important because of growing security concerns over China and North Korea, and the latter, without mentioning China, only stressed its stance on North Korea.

"It seems the Biden administration's attempt to sway Asian allies to counter China did not live up to its expectation," Yang Xiyu, a senior research fellow at
 

AssassinsMace

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Realistically from the opposite perspective, meaning US allies, the US wants to spread the pain around when taking on China so it's not all focused on the US. When you see the attacks on Asians regardless of ethnicity in the US, that is a result of US policies. All Asians are foreigners even if legally they're US citizens. Asians have their cultures basically intact. That's why they can never trust Asians even allies. It the being different is how they identify not political ideology. So do you think the US cares about their own allies when it's how they identify them being not American as the tactic to get people on board with the foreign policy?

I don't know if foreign governments are this aware but the attacks on Asians in the US says something about how it's really more about them and how Americans hate them just for having another culture. The Japanese were obedient followers of the US during the Cold War yet the Japanese in the 70s and 80s were seen as a greater threat than the Soviet Union. Why? Because their economy was seen doing better than the US. You don't need political ideology for the US to hate and see you as the greatest threat to their dominance.
 

Hendrik_2000

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Good take on the Alaska meeting by CGTN
When is the last time that Chinese point finger at US sure a sing of time
Does China's strong rebuttal of the U.S. in their Alaska meeting reflect shifting power dynamics? CGTN Anchor Wang Guan takes a closer look. He believes the two sides need to resolve the two issues preventing China-U.S. ties from improving: domestic politics and manipulated public perception.
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Wise word people need immunity from indoctrination by politician. But did anybody listen?

Now I like this Heeeyaaa

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sinophilia

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The inflation rate was an insane 23% in 1974.

If you do the calculations, you can see the Japanese economy doubled in size between 1973-1979, solely due to inflation.

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Fair enough, though to be fair it went back down to 5% inflation per year a few years after.

I’m ignorant as to how inflation actually increases economic size. Could you please explain how it works.

If Japan doubled its economy in USD in that period then it’s GDP per capita in USD probably also about doubled.

How does inflation add to GDP I assumed it would have been accounted for by currency price movements.
 

sinophilia

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@sinophilia

I don't see an issue with the growth rate targets set by the Chinese government

Historically, these which treated as a minimum target, and are regularly exceeded.

The target for 2021 is 6%, but the "consensus" forecast is actually for 8.5% growth this year.

The target to double the real size of the Chinese economy by 2035 implies a 5% growth rate, but each individual province will treat this as yet another minimum. I fully expect average Chinese growth will be higher.

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And people forget about the difference between the rich coast and the poorer interior.

If you analyse GDP per capita at a province level, you can see many coastal areas already in excess of $25,000 per capita, on a PPP basis.

If these areas grow at 5% per year, that becomes $50,000 per capita by 2035, which takes you to fully developed status. So it's probably impossible for them to grow any faster in a sustainable manner.

But in the poorer interior, we can see higher growth rates than the rich coast.
So I reckon we will see 7-8% average growth in the interior for some time yet.

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So it’s possible Chinese growth rate might actually increase as the economic size of the poorer provinces influences total GDP more?

Aryan Gordon Chang is gonna have a stroke
 

sinophilia

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I don't think you can compare Japan with China. South Korea and Singapore had more breakneck speed than Japan, because they're smaller. Japan is ten times smaller than China. Also Japan in its boom days had overvalued real estate and high inflation, an extremely strong semiconductor industry that China is still working on, fewer heads and less trade friction until the US held Japan by its jugular. And perhaps the elasticity of Japan's exports made up for its 'weak' currency.

Are we really comparing an apple, China, with an orange, Japan, as well as making soft racist statements about the country that invented the Walkman, anime and animation film (two different things btw), GameBoy, laptop, bullet train, lithium ion, camera phone, first dedicated aircraft carrier etc as uncreative? Hell they became much less creative after the US clamped down on Japan. Jeez man sinophilia, you tried to shut me up in a previous discussion about Japan by saying they're inferior full stop, but let's be balanced and factual about Japan. Although yes they are a vassal of the United States.

And they average a Nobel laureate every year, South Korea can't produce a single one and China isn't anywhere close to that. We can learn from their boss level physics and chemistry.

Yeah I don't know why Japan is so strong at physics it leaves me head scratching. It's a bit annoying. Well at least they're weaker in semiconductors after being castrated by USA there.

I don’t see the Japanese as the go-getters that China is today. Japanese seem tired of life. Chinese dream of greater things.

Problem is complacency. While China certainly doesn’t have the level of complacency like an India, it still exists to some extent when it comes to risk-taking. This must be excised so China can unleash the full potential of its creative citizens.

Now I don’t know the full history of Japanese economic growth, but it seems to me that they grew a lot faster at this stage and I don’t know that it just had to do with being an American vassal or having a smaller population. I’d rather play devils advocate and assume it’s not true so China can be self-critical and seek to improve at all costs.

As for Japanese innovation, it’s been nuked. You might be able to say that in the 70s and 80s but where is Japanese innovation now?

If you look up labor productivity adjusting for working hours then Japanese productivity is lower than Italy and Spain and is actually at the level of Turkey (!!). Korea is at the level of Portugal. That isn’t good.

I’m really unsure of the explanation other than lack of risk-taking, attempts to be creative, etc. don’t want China to fall into the same trap.

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