Discussing Biden's Potential China Policy

ansy1968 · Oct 10, 2020

emblem21 said:
I guess there is the fact that if the democrats win this time, they may face and uprising from the right wing supremacist who are not going to take a democrat win lying down. Also to note is that there is over 60+ million unemployed. If they don’t handle all those people, also given that they are being strapped to the limit with regards to supplies, they will need to handle all those problems along with everything else. I would think that winning the White House isn’t going to be sunshine and rainbows, since they are in a much worse state to handle this crisis and Biden is no Obama,

Hi emblem21,

I would think that winning the White House isn’t going to be sunshine and rainbows, since they are in a much worse state to handle this crisis and Biden is no Obama,

There is a precedent, The American can always look back on their history for solution, the 1929 great depression and FVR new deal program. Let see what course of action the Whitehouse will take, if they persist with present situation and let the problem grow, The US will be like the Weimar Republic of Germany and we know what happen after that.

emblem21 · Oct 10, 2020

ansy1968 said:
Hi emblem21,

I would think that winning the White House isn’t going to be sunshine and rainbows, since they are in a much worse state to handle this crisis and Biden is no Obama,

There is a precedent, The American can always look back on their history for solution, the 1929 great depression and FVR new deal program. Let see what course of action the Whitehouse will take, if they persist with present situation and let the problem grow, The US will be like the Weimar Republic of Germany and we know what happen after that.

Yeah, that would be quite a disaster. Although given the number of disasters that are now happening, this is going to take a while to manifest. Although I wonder should things go south enough, would anyone be willing to do there bidding so easily any more given the future of China’s and Russia military capabilities are quite terrifying and since the USA is almost constantly talking up China’s ability to use emp, i wonder, well back in the 1940s no nation have hypersonic weapons that can reach half way across the planet, now China does. I believe the election will be crucial in terms of working out what direction the USA will take and China will have to plan accordingly. I am confident that China is capable of rising to the occasion but I honestly wonder about how erratic the USA will become in the coming months.

caudaceus · Oct 10, 2020

Wangxi said:
It's not Trump who is dangerous, (we know he's stupid), but his administration and advisers, including Mattew Pottinger, Peter Navarro, Mike Pompeo and others

In any case, the Biden administration will be less "hawk", it is not Trump vs Biden that we have to look at but rather the Trump administration vs Biden administration

And from what I saw, Biden's advisers are less "hawkish" than Trump's, almost all of Biden's advisers are from the Obama administration

Among the folks you mentioned, Pottinger is the most crucial. He is not a Trumpist so he is palatable for the Democrat establishments and also rational and understand both Chinese and China in general unlike political hacks like Navarro and Gordon Chang. However, I read a twitter thread back then that accuse him for being complicit in the administration's current botched pandemic response, so there's a possibility of him being sidelined.

free_6ix9ine · Oct 10, 2020

LawLeadsToPeace said:
Russia is much easier to blame thanks to the leftover mentality and fear from the Cold War and their lack of economic ties. Plus, what the heck can Russia do? Nuke em? However, China is a complete different story. Despite Trump and his cultists' rhetoric about decoupling, they won't do that due to the duo's interwoven economies. Any decoupling will significantly cripple or even destroy the US's and maybe China's economies.

No I disagree, decoupling with China will do little to harm the US economy. The US doesn't need trade with China, it doesn't need to sell things to China, whatever it buys from China can be sourced elsewhere.

Remember, because the Us can print its own global currency, its like someone that can print its own unlimited amount of money and go to any store and buy whatever it wants.

China on the other hand cannot print its own global currency. So it has to sell stuff to other countries to earn US dollars to buy stuff.

I guess the real danger for the US from decoupling, is it might force China to try to actively undermine the USD.

free_6ix9ine · Oct 10, 2020

LawLeadsToPeace said:
Agreed and they also thought the Chinese don't have the capacity to be self-reliant until SMIC and a bunch of other companies rose to the challenge. That is why they are asking for licenses now since they realized they screwed up and woke the Chinese up from their dream state. As for Russia, as long as China is trading with them en masse, they'll be fine. However if they are isolated, their economy will quickly be destroyed due to their dependence on their oil and military exports.

Now back to the topic on hand, in my opinion, with the absolute collapse of US-China relations and the rapid rise of China (assuming their government doesn't mess up), Biden cannot fix what Trump did. The US completely lost the Chinese's trust, especially that of the people who originally thought of the Western nations, particularly the US, as role models. However, since the US is basically getting smacked to death by Covid 19 and is on life-support that is also failing, the US won't have the energy to duke it out with China. So, Biden is most likely gonna focus on that instead and rebuild the US's economy at an extremely slow rate thanks to the Chinese's focus on self-reliance. Besides that, to be completely honest, based on how things are going, the US's hostility towards China will peak this year.

Not sure why the US needs China to rebuild its economy. Whether Biden or Trump. It's all about printing trillions of dollars. US economy always bounces back pretty quickly because of this. It gives people spending power which drives consumption which drives GDP growth. Don't know where China is needed here.

free_6ix9ine · Oct 10, 2020

cbl21 said:
Whatever hawks Biden will hire, they won't be nearly as bad as Mike Pompeo or Peter Navarro. Besides, Biden is hiring mainly Obama-era FP advisors, who generally are much more willing to do diplomacy, engagement, and cooperation with China and not pursue lose-lose tensions between the two. Don't believe me? Here's what an Obama-era official says:

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How do you know Pompeo will not get a job with Biden? Biden is literally a low key Republican.

caudaceus · Oct 10, 2020

free_6ix9ine said:
How do you know Pompeo will not get a job with Biden? Biden is literally a low key Republican.

Current republican cabinet members are too toxic for democrats. Even Biden want too and I don't think he will, the backlash from the Democrats are too huge. Remember the democrat controlled house has tried to impeach Pompeo recently. No way Democrat senate will agree on him.

Ultimately remember that the main concern the administration are internal, with the most visible target is to rollback remnant of Trump administration.

LawLeadsToPeace · Oct 10, 2020

free_6ix9ine said:
Not sure why the US needs China to rebuild its economy. Whether Biden or Trump. It's all about printing trillions of dollars. US economy always bounces back pretty quickly because of this. It gives people spending power which drives consumption which drives GDP growth. Don't know where China is needed here.

The reason behind that is that everybody MUST use the US dollar under the threats of US tech and military. It is not because the US has an economy that is based on manufacturing or anything robust. In fact, 12-13% of its gdp is

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of all things, and if I remember correctly, China doesn't count that as part of its gdp.

No I disagree, decoupling with China will do little to harm the US economy. The US doesn't need trade with China, it doesn't need to sell things to China, whatever it buys from China can be sourced elsewhere.

Remember, because the Us can print its own global currency, its like someone that can print its own unlimited amount of money and go to any store and buy whatever it wants.

China on the other hand cannot print its own global currency. So it has to sell stuff to other countries to earn US dollars to buy stuff.

I guess the real danger for the US from decoupling, is it might force China to try to actively undermine the USD.

You are incorrect in this regard. US companies are absolutely dependent on China for business in all sectors, and that is why

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Now, as for the sourcing from other countries thing, China != India, Vietnam, or any other country in this world. When the trade war was escalating back in 2018, US companies were absolutely against it due to its significant impact on their supply chain that they can't replace (

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).

LawLeadsToPeace · Oct 10, 2020

Whoops. I made a mistake on the Chinese gdp and rent part in my previous post. The Chinese seems to only include it in the quarterly gdp not the annual one. My mistake.

crash8pilot · Oct 10, 2020

free_6ix9ine said:
How do you know Pompeo will not get a job with Biden? Biden is literally a low key Republican.

Because Pompeo isn't Biden's "guy", and also the fact Biden's basically penciled in Susan Rice and Michele Flournoy for the respective positions of State and Defense if he were to win the election

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